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Classic scams in combination - Wat Pho
Written by Ben   
Wednesday, 28 January 2009

We half-fell for the classic - but I think the scammers over-elaborated and tripped themselves up!

Approaching Wat Pho with our map open, a man in a grey suit speaking excellent English offered to 'help' us. He advised us that Wat Pho was too full of tourists in the morning, that until 1pm we could only take the head or feet of the reclining buddha without people in the shot :-) Amusing for those who have seen it. He explained in patient detail, making annotations on our map, that what we should do in the two hours before getting a good view of Wat Pho, was take a yellow tuk-tuk (these are apparently the best, government-run, the drivers get a wage :-), and make three stops: the unique Century Buddha, visible just once a year, was on display at Wat Phra Phiren. Apparently, many years ago the Taiwanese had tried to steal the buddha, so they now only showed it once a year. We should also climb the Golden Mount for brilliant views of Bangkok (500 steps were promised!)

Actually, we should also visit the Thai Export Centre somewhere around Bamrung Road, conveniently between the two. All the prices were government controlled and the guy himself worked for the government, in the Grand Palace (he was on his lunch break). The best bit was that he said that all goods at Thai Export Centre were ISO accredited, and could be returned for full refund :-)

We should get the whole trip by tuk-tuk for no more than 50 baht. 

As if by magic, a yellow tuk-tuk appeared! A few moments of negotiation, and we were off - for 50 baht.

We arrived as promised at Wat Phra Phiren, and were pointed by the driver into a small shrine room. This contained a buddha and lots of very old photos. There we met actor number two, a genial gentleman who, along with telling us about the special unique mask ceremony he was preparing to take part in at the wat, and showing us photos of the old masters (the old master had apparently just died - very sad!), explained that he was a Thai Air pilot - a new pilot in fact, just promoted.

We asked about the Century Buddha and he took us to a larger shrine room (with some pretty impressive tied string around the ceiling), with a large golden buddha. Confusingly, he explained this was the Black Buddha, the oldest Chinese Buddha in Bangkok, and a shrine where all of Chinese origin come to worship. He then showed us the gaudy ring on his finger and explained the significance of the different types of gems - for luck, wealth etc. He said he could recommend a gem factory, and we were in luck! Because tomorrow, the government (this was a big secret) was going to put the taxes up on gems, and they would cost 30% more. We politely declined.

He then moved seamlessly (!) on to tailoring, singing the praises of Manhattan Tailors - which, curiously, he  wrote on our map - 'you get a tuk-tuk, take you there'. He himself had just had five excellent suits made there for his newly exalted rank of captain! He told us to go to the second floor for the really good material - sadly I can't remember the name of the contact he told us to ask for...

Anyway,  by this stage the next couple of dupes had wandered in wondering where the century buddha (or lucky buddha, black buddha, chinese buddha, I don't know!) was to be found, and he quickly shifted on to them - not before imparting some suspiciously realistic details of his schedule as a Thai airways captain etc.

We were getting a bit tired of all this, and though we were remarkably slow on the uptake, the piling-on of scams had eventually confirmed our suspicion. We went back to our friendly tuk-tuk driver (pictured, with ID badge), and asked politely to go straight back to Wat Pho - for the whole 50 baht. He lost his cool in a very un-Thai-like fashion (including the whole 'you must take me, I get a petrol voucher - showed us the flashy fake voucher in his wallet too'), and told us we were not good people!

As he drove off in a tizzy, we managed to slow him down long enough to give him 20 baht for the entertainment - he seemed totally abashed by this (particularly as his tantrum had been in front of the other drivers), and went off, leaving us in a busy part of town feeling extremely frazzled and looking for an honest meter-taxi cab to get us back to Wat Pho - needless to say, it was as possible as ever to snap the buddha full-length, and a great site :-) 

BTW, earlier in the day we'd had another classic - the doorman at the Majestic Grande Hotel where we were staying (highly recommended) had actually told us Wat Pho was closed until 12 for religious ceremonies, recommended rather than going straight there we take a taxi to the river then boat ride, whistled up his mate from just around the corner, and we were deposited (after a 70 baht ride) at a private pier by the Shangrila Hotel, and offered a long-tail boat ride 'all round the canals' for 500 baht each. We didn't mind this very much as we wandered around the Shangrila and saw the local market etc - but still managed to get stung on arrival at Central Pier buying 120baht tickets for the 'tourist express', about three times the price of the regular boats...

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written by Mr Gibs, Fri 06 Feb 2009 10:31:53 CST
The doorman at the Majestic Grand is working with the scammers?


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written by Johnny Be Bad, Sat 21 Feb 2009 10:05:09 CST
Why would you give him 20 Baht after he tried to waste your time taking you all over the city?

Think of it this way. If a NY taxi driver took you to Macy's instead of your hotel where he was supposed, would you tip him afterwards?
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written by Rebecca, Sun 01 Mar 2009 14:04:48 CST
I had just visited the palace area and a very persistent tuk-tuk driver was telling me I just had to visit the
"Lucky Buddha" for something like 50B. I was "Buddha'd out" for the day so declined. He got more and more annoyed demanding I go otherwise I would miss this great site. His loss of temper clearly revealed it to be a scam, so I had a bit of fun saying that it couldn't be that great as it was not in any guide books and I was already pretty lucky! He seemed most frustrated that I was turning it down as it only cost 50B - they try and entice you with a cheap price: if it is too go to be true, it is.

I wouldn't have paid him 20B either as he didn't complete the agreed deal and return you to Wat Po.
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written by Evan, Mon 06 Apr 2009 18:28:36 CDT
after a few days of arguing and being frustrated by all the scammers and taxi/tuk tuk drivers (and hotel doormen), I decided to play it like a game. listen to their bulldust.. then laugh and walk away. when i did use a tuk tuk and the driver tried to double the fare on me - I just dropped the correct amount onto the ground and wandered off whilst he scrabbled for his fare on the ground. dont lose your cool - never yell or get angry - but you certainly dont have to be polite polite polite.

the problem is those tourists who are not assertive and tend to give in to the scammers. They make it harder for the rest of us. correct change is a must.
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written by Theo, Mon 06 Apr 2009 21:13:36 CDT
Dropping money on the ground is just as bad as getting angry A big insult.
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written by Mikey, Mon 06 Apr 2009 23:01:48 CDT
I agree with theo, good way to get your teeth handed to you
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written by pighoglet, Tue 07 Apr 2009 00:51:52 CDT
Any tuk tuk driver hanging around outside hotels day in day out will have a gang of friends who also hang there day in day out. There are better ways of being impolite verbally and if it does kick off dont expect any support from passers by or the police who will side with the Thai.

Little impolite tricks include leaving the door open on the other side of the cab to the driver, giving him the exact fare to the exact 1 baht but only do these things when you have experienced bad service or the driver is most definately taking the piss. You are by being rude in a foreign country overstepping the line and it could back fire against you in ways you never dreamed of.
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written by pighoglet, Tue 07 Apr 2009 00:53:00 CDT
The things above are aimed at taxis , of course no doors on tuk tuks so why take them anyway? hehe
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written by Theo, Tue 07 Apr 2009 02:59:22 CDT
I agree, but like written, I went over the line in Mor Chit too. But insulting me and a female in my company is different from trying to overcharge me. In that case I dont get angry. I just dont pay more then necessary. Starting to understand the language you hear more and more insults adressed to you. Last time at Suvarnabumi a farang and his Thaiwife got thrown at their head by an airportemploye: So,Pooying Pattaya klap barn. this was yelled. Dont do this to me because I will yell back.
Interesting is that the second time I behaved like that on Mor Chit I got an a aplause from
Thai travellers standing around. Some said: Dee mark farang.The first time no one reacted.
Dropping money on the ground dont try that with an Amsterdam taxidriver. A big mouth he will respond with a big mouth. But dropping money on the ground... The fact that in Thailand its picked up by the driver shows how desparatly he needs the money. He even forgets his pride
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written by Theo, Tue 07 Apr 2009 18:15:43 CDT
Another scam!! Rich Thai people offer a reward of 1.000.000 baht to bring Tarksin to Thailand. Will Tarksin buy his own planeticket? Having him brought to Thailand it might be just enough to cover the costs you make!!
DONT BELIEVE THEM!!!!!!! THEY TRY TO SCAM YOU!!!!!!!
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written by Ende, Sat 26 Sep 2009 23:52:37 CDT
We just got the same experience that just happened on Sept 19, 2009. All the scams they did is exactly the same as the story above. I suppose so many people got this bad experience. As example http://genesisofmind.wordpress.com/2008/07/13/holiday-to-bangkok-day-3/
In this blog has a picture of the tuk tuk driver. He was the same man who took us (by his tuk tuk) to bring to few places (Black Buddha, Gem, Tailor).
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written by MD, Tue 29 Sep 2009 06:47:01 CDT
My girlfriend and I got taken in by this very same scam. We had just arrived to bangkok from cambodia and were very happy to meet such friendly people. Soon realised afterwards that it was a scam. The old man in the Wat seemed just too genuine, with hindsight its easy to see your mistakes.

I find it a real shame that you have to be so very careful to guard against such scams and abuse of peoples trusting nature. I for one will not go back to Thailand because I do not feel secure and relaxed. The con artists will drive away the tourists and the police will compound the situation by their inactivity. I would not consider myself at all stupid or naieve, perhaps just too trusting! An old man, who claims to be buddhist in a religious building conning people out of their money..... it came in my blind spot. Its a shame, its not an isolated incident and soon Thailand will suffer when people don't return.

If only this group put as much effort into actually helping tourists they might do very well for themselves, tourists and their fellow countrymen who rely on the tourist industry. Failing that a career in acting and spending a lot more time in the Wats praying for forgiveness (as opposed to preying on tourists).

I wish them the best of bad luck for the coming year!
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written by RLim, Sun 18 Oct 2009 13:16:38 CDT
It was out first visit to Bangkok. My wife and i met the a man in grey suit (not sure if its the same) outside Grand Palace around 4pm and he offered to 'help' us as we wanted to take a cab to MBK. He told us that he was an off-duty police officer from the Grand Palace, flashed us a normal Thai ID and said that taxis are not allowed to stop near the GRand Palace(Hey! i took a cab to Grand Palace and the driver dropped me where i was now.) I have seen a normal Thai ID and immediately knew it was a scam but decided to hear him.

He advised us that MBK was only 'happy' aftr 6pm, he drawed on our map and advised us to take a tuk-tuk for a 1 hr river-cruise, saying it costs only 700 baht because its government controlled and hey-presto a yellow tuk-tuk immediately appears. It was then 2 friendly tourists approached and advised me 'straight in the man's face' that the river cruise was a scam and the bad people will try to sell u stuffs. I immediately saw the man's face dropped in shame.

They then helped me hail a cab to MBK and made sure the meter was on. Cheers to both guys... nice to see tourists helping tourists. :)
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written by *, Mon 15 Feb 2010 21:00:49 CST
Basically same scam as http://www.bangkokscams.com/scams-in-bangkok/tailor-scams.html
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written by Raul, Mon 15 Feb 2010 22:33:52 CST
@* thank you, you are so helpful and knowledgeble, but I have feeling you are not well endowed?
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written by Kanyawee, Mon 15 Feb 2010 23:30:26 CST
I was in Bangkok Grand Palace with my friend on the 25th Jan 2010, we wanted to walk to the reclining buddha as it is very near to the Grand Palace, on the way there, there's a guy approach us and tell us the its is the praying day for the buddha and we have to take greem Colour tok tok as it is under government control and all. He told us that he's a shooting instructor at the near by school or something. he seem friendly and he can speak good english!

The Took TOok appeared and he brought us to ONE temple and then to the duty free kind of jewellery shop he told us that he didnt get at the 1st shop so he bring us to the next and after that he insist of bring us back to the grand palace as he dont want to bring us to other temples anymore, we insist he stop at the marble buddah temple and he left just like that.

Im kind of upset about this. please do something about it.. I regret that i only read this now. I felt that i wasted my trip :-(
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written by Paul F, Tue 16 Feb 2010 06:02:45 CST
Thai Police are running the scams.
Do not expect any help from Thai authorities if you get into trouble in Thailand.
Unless you are friends with some powerful figure you will be screwed.

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