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Scams are getting elaborate
Sunday, 23 December 2007

My girlfriend and I felt pretty taken after paying a fortune rather bland lobster but it's only after reading this site that we realize that we avoided much worse (great site, BTW). What blew us away was the layered complexity of the scam and how many people were involved.

We were approached as we got off of the Banglamphu boat by a guy saying he's an English teacher just down the street and that it was the king's birthday - and consequently, everything is on special. We were told that the tuk tuk drivers are getting a coupon from the government for promoting cultural tours so we were only to pay the tuk tuk driver 10 baht - and he even told us how to say "too expensive" should some scammer try and take us for 20 or 30 baht. Then after explaining the tour, which ingeniously involves the tourist bureau and some genuine cultural locales, his tuk tuk driver friend pulls up and takes us on said cheap tour which, significantly, ends with the "Golden Palace Travel Bureau" (this is all drawn on our map).

The first two stops were temples and a golden buddha and so we feel guilty while at these spots keeping our too-nice tuk tuk driver waiting patiently (he's really nice, but not fake).

 But here is the clincher: at the temple, which is only open for one day, we're told about the deals at a factory that sells cashmere by yet another well-spoken Thai who just happens to be praying at the temple we're taken to. This factory just happens to be on our cultural tour. IMPOSSIBLE PRICES ON CASHMERE. He prays in front of us and he's apparently with his family at the temple, which is also only open for this one special day. It was election day (Dec 23, 2007) so we were probably willing to believe it because of that. It was actually a special day.

 So we get to the factory and it isn't some shoddy throw up that looks like a scam and they are actively selling it as cashmere so it seems real enough. We don't bite but only because I don't need a suit and move on to the next stop on the tour - the travel bureau, a very official looking building, where we bought a ticket to Hua Hin (we're waiting to see whether our private car will show up in the morning).

This is the real thing that breaks down all walls and prepares us for where we really get taken: a restaurant, suggested in passing. We show up and order a pretty big lobster, a little confused by the "service charges not included" next to the price per gram in baht. At the end of the meal, replete with a rather average vegetable dish, some rice, one beer and our bland beast of a lobster, we're met with a 9000 baht bill "all the way from Phuket". We were not impressed and felt completely taken. It was awful and made even worse by the countless "beware of wily strangers" signs we've read over the past two days. Anyway, it all sounds rather transparent but you have to understand that we were well warned of the scams and our defenses were high going into this so the many twists combined with our guilt for the tuk tuk driver who waits patiently and the travel bureau helped break down these well-built defenses.

I hope they all believe in karma.

Here's hoping our ride to Hua Hin shows up tomorrow.

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written by Jay, Sat 12 Jan 2008 14:24:50 CST
9000 baht for that dinner? Was it a typing mistake? We didn't even spend 4000 baht in 5 days on food.
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written by Jay, Sat 12 Jan 2008 14:25:40 CST
Did your ride to Hua Hin show up?
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written by AJR, Wed 23 Jan 2008 22:23:46 CST
My philosophy while traveling in Thailand (come upon the hard way.) Avoid taxis whenever possible and Tuk Tuks at all cost.
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written by S, Fri 28 Mar 2008 15:07:48 CDT
Same in India. Avoid taxis and motorikshaws at any cost. Travel by air, train, buses and subway. Private car companies which let you rent a car with a driver are OK (pretty expensive though). No talking with strangers at all, no accepting any offers and advises anywhere, check what the proper price should be in advance.
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written by anon, Fri 28 Mar 2008 16:07:27 CDT
taxis in bangkok are very easy to use. insist on meter - if they say no get out. its SO SIMPLE. hail the next one down.
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written by Ian, Sat 29 Mar 2008 08:15:22 CDT
lobsters! truly the most hyped overpriced food item ever (except perhaps for caviar) I Paid 1500 baht for one in Pattaya, fairly standard price i presume but i wonder what price the restaurants get them for?
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written by alexander, Sat 29 Mar 2008 17:09:00 CDT
this is easy: if the driver doesnt want to use the meter, or it's "broken", get out and get another taxi - there is gazillions of them in bangkok! we never ever had to walk, someone will eventually take you with the meter on.

if in trouble, do not pay and tell the driver (or restaurant owner, etc.) you will wait for the police to arrive - better yet, get your mobile out and tell him YOU will call the TOURIST police... problem solved!
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written by pickpocket victim, Tue 22 Apr 2008 02:27:38 CDT
I'm not normally a gullible guy but I met a Thai girl in Gullivers Bar on Khao San. After a couple of drinks we decided to go back to my guesthouse's restaurant to eat and maybe have a couple more drinks (whatever). She keeps stalling on Khao San Road saying she's looking for someone, then she says she wants to go to a disco. I tell her I'm not going but tell her she can go to a disco if she wants. She changes her mind and decides she wants to be with me but wants to buy some fruit first. We stop at a stall and she waits so I gullibly offer to buy her fruit. The fruit vendor who seems to know her asks for my wallet so he can take the money out claiming there is no light for me to see my money. I say no chance and pay him 20 baht and put my wallet back in my pocket. The girl suddenly throws her arms around me and kisses me. About 10 paces from the fruit vendor I notice that my wallet is gone. I notice a police car coming down the road and tell the cop. He asks me to check the girl but I can't find anything. I notice the fruit vendor is trying to walk away and tell the police. The cop pats him down but says the vendor has nothing. Everyone goes home and I'm left without my card to draw money out and 20 000 Baht lighter from money I had changed at the airport. I get money wired to me from my parents to buy an air ticket back. At the ticket office the girl behind the counter charges me 1000 Baht extra on the price of the ticket and refuses to back down when I argue about it. Bangkok sucks these days. It's a pity because it used to be great.
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written by tobi, Fri 25 Apr 2008 00:50:10 CDT
try to find thai friends in your home country and go with them, when i was there just 3 weeks ago with my best friend ( who is thai ) i had more free food and drinks i can imagine, i usually payed the normal prices and let my friends manage everything for me. I had a fantastic time. they kept me from any harm, scam, money boys or what so ever. really it's also to blame on the tourists and never mind thai people are not stupid, anything like this can happen to you in europe or where ever you are, it's just that in your home you can tell easier...
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written by chan, Fri 25 Apr 2008 00:53:08 CDT
Unfortunately, there was no typing mistake. Happenned to me too lately. But fortuanately the price was "only" 4`500THB :-). Best advice is to eat where Thai people usually do eat: On the street or in small Thai Restaurants
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written by Niels, Fri 27 Jun 2008 18:26:57 CDT
tobi: this crap doesn't happen in Europe, the restaurant would have to shut down within the week. And sure bad things happen anywhere, but not on the scale it's happening in Bangkok. Within 10 years noone will go there anymore unless something changes.
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written by mickey, Sat 28 Jun 2008 19:04:29 CDT
Nothing will change in Bangkok, or Thailand for that matter. There is a lowlife born every minute and unfortunately an innocent farang born every minute. "This can happen to you in europe", what utter crap, I have never been tucked up in europe like I have been tucked up in Thailand, every Thai you talk to wants to get money out of you, they say Thailand is cheap, how come I have spent thousands there and seem to come home with f.all .
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written by John ex pat, Sat 28 Jun 2008 21:08:05 CDT
Mickey, I completely agree with you, Thailand is very dodgy and certainly not cheap, evry one wants money, not just money but more money, all your money, from the girls to the vendors, the restaurants the travel agencies the hotels, a Farang is fair game to all Thais, I married a Thai, she is well educated and her parents have good well paying jobs, and they still try and get money from me, it must be talked into them from birth ( steal from Farang, steal from Farang) Im not bitter, just realistic.
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written by KCBC, Mon 30 Jan 2012 21:51:52 CST
Here is a comprehensive list of common scams and how they work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks
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written by KCBC, Wed 01 Feb 2012 10:18:46 CST
Ian Wrote: "lobsters! I Paid 1500 baht for one in Pattaya i wonder what price the restaurants get them for?"

I was at one of the big seafood places in Bangkok and the guy told me that a lobster was 1500 baht and I told him I could buy a lobster much cheaper back in Canada or down in Oz. And he said, "That's where we get them from" !!

It wouldn't surprise me. The seas around Thailand are all fished out. Even the so-called 'protected' reefs at Surin and Similan are all fished-out.

Even crab is ridiculously expensive in Thailand now. I was at the Baan Klaang Naam restuarant and they wanted 1000 baht for a crab. That's $30 !!! In Thailand!

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