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Tailor Scam
Saturday, 14 July 2007

My wife and I are Irish and decided on taking a big holiday on the advice our of kids both of whom had been to Thailand. On our second day (7th June 2007) in Bangkok my wife and I had got off the sky train at Siam and were making our way to the MBK Centre for some shopping, A very well spoken local lady walked up beside us and engaged us in small talk. "Where are you from" "where are you going" She tried to convince us that far better value could be obtained from an international exporter who was only opening to the public on that day. She was willing to organise a Tuk Tuk for us. After some hesitation we declined.

We had walked a further 50 yards towards the MBK Centre when another very friendly person (male this time) approached with a similar story. Our defences were weakened as we felt that there must be some truth to what was being said to us, A Tuk Tuk was organised and next we found ourselves being delivered to the Manhattan Tailors at 455/42-45 Rama Road.

We were led into a room on our own where two of the staff got to work on convincing us of the merits of purchasing custom made cloths from them. The product would be high class, made of the best materials and of course they had a huge amount of repeat business. To make a long story short, after about a hour of being soft soaped , being constantly reassured of the their integrity and that we would be very satisfied we agreed to go ahead. This turned out to a very expensive and distressing mistake.

My wife paid 23,500 THB for two suits , a blouses and one skirt. I paid 12,500 BHT for a suit and two shirts and a tie. We realise now that we paid hugely over the odds. The measurement were taken and we both gave instructions on what we wanted.

It was obvious from the first fitting two weeks later ( we travelled to Chiang Mai and PHI PHI), at their premises, that we were in trouble. My suit was completely different from what I had ordered. I made this quite clear and was told that it would be altered to my satisfaction. My wife’s suits were far too tight.

The next two fitting, conveniently for them happened at our hotel. I suspect that they did not want us at their premises again in case we upset other innocent targets.

The night before our departure the clothes were left at reception in the same state as they has been presented at the last fitting the night before.

I rang their premises the morning of our departure and asked that someone contact us. Nobody did. I have emailed these ‘low life’s ‘ and expressed complete dissatisfaction with their product. I propose to pursue any avenue open to me to get my money back. I have made initial contact with MasterCard. They operate a system called Chargeback. However am unlikely to succeed due to lack of purchase documentation.

While my wife’s clothes might be able to be adjusted locally, at extra expense, my suit is so badly made that it will never be worn. I would have better off buying a suit in the local Mark and Spenser’s.

The whole experience nearly ruined our holidays and has left us with very bad impression of Thailand. At the very least tourists should be warned to be constantly on their guard from approaches from such ‘nice’ people and the entrapment techniques used by such tailors.  The inexperience tourist in Thailand is constantly targeted.

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written by anon, Mon 16 Jul 2007 04:06:22 CDT
Ken,

This also happened to my boyfriend and I on our trip. I believe it was our first or second day there (July 1st or 2nd, 2007) when we were approached on our wat to the Grand Palace by a 'nice' local w/ suggestions on where to go. After ended up at Voglee Export Tailors and purchasing the suits we started to think we might have been scammed and looked them up online. We found out that many others had been caught up in a similar scam. Because of this we were afraid we would be shipped nothing. My credit card has already charged but I am going to attempt to dispute the charge. We'll see what happens.
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written by Andy, Tue 14 Aug 2007 10:48:12 CDT
I can honestly say that I just received my suits in the mail today. They look great. I got three suits (obviously with trousers), three white dress shirts and three silk ties. I paid $850.00 USD and that included shipping to my Canadian location. Although I'm sure that I could have purchased the same thing for a bit cheaper, I am very happy with Voglee Export Tailors. Then again, I photographed their store, both inside and outside. I told them not to mess with me as well, so that might be why I received exactly what I ordered.
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written by Greg, Fri 17 Aug 2007 21:00:46 CDT
This same thing just happened to me with Voglee tailors. I paid about US$760 for one suit, one extra pants, one long wool coat, 3 shirts and 1 tie. I realized I was completely scammed and am furious. I knew about scams in Thailand as well...can't believe I fell for this. Be careful! Don't trust anyone.
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written by jamie, Tue 21 Aug 2007 16:56:04 CDT
I'm with Andy on this one. I knew it was a scam for them to take us to voglee, however we got a free tour of the city with it and I love the suit I received. I still get comments from tailors here in Canada on the craftmanship of the suit. Sure it might have been a little more expensive than the cheap boutiques lining the popular tourist streets, but I also knew what I was getting into (this was 2-3 years ago now).
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written by DARREN GILL, Sat 25 Aug 2007 06:53:59 CDT
i also know this story. tuk tuk and voglee, but i must say, i bought a suit and a wool coat, and was very happy with the price and quality, they also tryed the dimond scam, and the travle agent
T A T FOR THERE GAS COUPON, i think your better of just geting a taxi to where you want to go, and dont be taken in by all the nice people in bangkok, its your money there after
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written by Mick Dean, Tue 04 Sep 2007 16:28:42 CDT
I am lucky. I own one old suit for weddings and funerals. I tell the barkers outside the shops that I dress just as scruffily in England as I do in Thailand. When that doesn't work I tell them that I don't need a suit as the police provide me with a uniform for work and show my warrant card. The bent establishments immediately lose interest in me, assuming (wrongly of course) that I may have connections with the Royal Thai Police. As they can read the word "police" but not "constable", I usually bump up my rank to the equivalent of at least Police Major.
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written by Charlie, Sun 09 Sep 2007 19:51:13 CDT
Don't trust them in the slightest. Am pleased some of you are happy with your purchases but it's not worth the risk. We realised, a little too late about the scam, and got the tourst police and then Thai police involved. Wasted our last day in Thailand trying to agree some form of compensation (Voglee plus the police) - to be told we'd get money refunded on credit card - yeah right. Police not in the slightest bothered. Left with a very poor view of the Thais - we shalln't be returning.
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written by DoctorJ10011, Mon 24 Sep 2007 20:37:36 CDT
enjoy your polyester suits! I bought a couple of "wool snd cashmere" suits from an Indian tailor on Sukhumvit soi 11 near the Ambassador. When I got them back to New York, my garment industry friends determined that the materials were (obviously, to them) very cheap polyester.
I went back the next year and raised a LOUD complaint inside the store. They told me the really didn't know what the materials were, that they only know what their suppliers told them. Since the shop is full of only cloth, that excuse suggested that they are either 1. hopelessly stupid and don't know what their own store sells, or 2. brazen liars. I go with number 2. They offered to make me another suit of any material I chose. I tried my best to pick something nice, and ended up with a another polyester suit!
Caveat emptor. I now bring my own materials, and use Perry Tailors on Silom, who serves the Thai upper class. Immaculate tailoring, and I know what the material really is!
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written by Luc, Tue 25 Sep 2007 04:06:52 CDT
Yeah we got hood-winked and ended up with 4 suits from Manhattan. The 'tourist police' were nice enough to send us there... pretty funny actually. Turns out we got some cheap suits which we're still wearing today.

No complaints from me.
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written by Pete, Mon 01 Oct 2007 15:23:00 CDT
Hey guys, I agree spams do exist in Bangkok, but the price you said you paid is not expensive if its really good quality, a lot of tailors in Silom, Khaosan mainly would say wool cashmere and give you pure polyester.. sukhumvit tailors are much better, test materials before you buy, if you just show them your lighter and pretend that you are gonna test the materials, the tailors would surely show you good materials in fear of getting caught giving you bad materials.
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written by John, Tue 02 Oct 2007 22:38:19 CDT
WARNING: If the tag says 100% cotton it means nothing. Its just a tag sewn in. Some of the bolts of fabric say Cashmere / wool but are in fact Polyester etc. you can NOT belioeve the lables.
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written by JRW, Sat 13 Oct 2007 13:50:03 CDT
I went to Voglee export tailors two years ago and i am an extremely satisfied customer, but unfortunately i lost the address to the store, so if you have the address please post
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written by Sunny, Sat 13 Oct 2007 16:49:26 CDT
I made 2 suits 2 ex.pants and some shirts from Gulatino tailor in phuket. I am very satisfied. Thanks to the gulatino tailor and if any of you guys are going to Phuket island in Thailand. Visit that shop, resonable price. www.gulatino.com is the website... cheers
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written by stu, Mon 15 Oct 2007 23:12:19 CDT
i paid about £150 for a suit, shirt and tie and got them to ship it back to the UK as well. I had my flatmate confirm they had arrived and looked in good nick as well so that if they were dodgy or didnt turn up i would be able to go back to the shop on my way back through bangkok. It is honestly the best fitting suit i have ever bought and i found this website while looking for the shop's website so i could order another!!
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written by frank, Wed 24 Oct 2007 14:50:35 CDT
Me and my wife have just been measured up for suits in the MBK,all seemed very professional,arranged the fittings etc, but now all these comments are getting me worried : /
Have just spent 3 weeks in the south and had a fantastic time.
Spent a few days in bangkok and it seems like every-man and his dog is trying to pull some kind of scam on me or my wife...
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written by David, Thu 25 Oct 2007 19:30:11 CDT
I was in Thailand in september, in Phuket, Patong beach. I bought a 4 suits from new mark and co. and was extremely delighted to have done a good business with them. They are not only great professionals but are very honest too. They told me what was I buying, and showed me the comparisons between wool and polyester. Surely, for I paid a little more for the wool suits but its better than wearing a polyester crap on your body. They are 100% trustable, and honest. Plus, they made me the suits in 24 hours. What else can you ask for. I paid 295 English pounds for 4 suits. I am going back there again in February. I would like to recommend all the people interested in making suits or any kind of clothes to contact them, if you want to be 100% satisfied with your clothes and service. They are located in Club andaman beach resort, in Patong beach. Cheers.
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written by Jordan, Fri 26 Oct 2007 15:34:57 CDT
I just got three suits from Voglee, and well, they are alright. But, not exactly what I wanted...and even if they were, the worst part is the feeling that I was scammed too. I know this happens to tons of people, but still...it doesn't make me feel any less stupid. I found out only after from a friend of mine, who actually imports custom suits from Thailand, that Voglee is a scam suit maker. Oh well...now I have three suits, which I will have to wear to get my money's worth. But, unfortunately, this does not make Thailand look any better. To be honest, after living in Asia fora while, I am convinced this is a land of money hungry scam artists.
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written by James from London, Tue 30 Oct 2007 18:32:18 CDT
My experience with Manhattan Tailors was overall a good one.

Nice sales job (which convinced me), measurements taken nicely. I decided to go for 2 suits 5 shirts various ties and 2 spare trousers (all for less than GBP 450 - not terribly cheap but o.k. given the quality I expected)
The fitting two days later was a bit rushed and my complaints about to tight trousers were ignored. I got the final product delivered to my hotel the next day and the trousers were definitely to tight. So I took the fitting stuff (jackets, shirts etc) with me back to London and left the 4 trousers at Manhattan for changing. They tried to convince me to pay for delivery to London. Upon my refusal they changed the trousers for FREE and sent it all back to London by Airmail for FREE.

2 years later, the shirts are still fitting (really nice quality), the suits have been worn a lot (I am a banker) and show their age but I am really happy with them. I love the shirts which fit me better than any shirts I wore.

Recommendation:
- Only go to these tailors if you need a suit. If not do not go. They are good sales people, who will talk you into things.
- Take time for fitting and stick to your opinion. You have to wear the stuff.
- Do not have the delivery of the ready suits on the day of departure (like me) but a few days in advance so that you have time to check final quality.

Generally my experience has been a good one.
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written by Jordan Nahmias, Thu 01 Nov 2007 19:43:21 CDT
I just want to report, that, as a dumb backpacker, in hopes of finding some cheap suits which I need for work, I fell for the Voglee scam. They sweet talked me into buying three suits, which I have no idea what are made of. I suspect polyester, but oh well...I guess it happens. All I can say is be wary, and stay away. There are much better tailors elsewhere in Thailand...speak to real locals, not tuk tuk drivers. They are the ones that will direct you to the good stuff.
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written by jonathan, Wed 07 Nov 2007 20:30:26 CST
I too nearly fell for the voglee scam. It wasn't even funny, and trust my wife to see through it! And then I researched online and saw that I had saved myself both money and a big scam!!

In the end we got all our clothes at Crown Tailors on sukhumvit soi 8. Quality was good, price was great and best of all, we've got non stop compliments on how great the suits look on us!

My only advice is just NOT to use the TUK TUKs at all in Bangkok. They just CANNOT be trusted!
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written by johnathan, Sat 24 Nov 2007 14:13:45 CST
There is a tailor in phuket at patong beach, shop name gulatino.It's a bullshit tailor.All the fucking SINGHS are doing tailor by knowing nothing. BEWARE of GULATINO exclusively bullshit tailor.I met the sales assistant Raj.Too money minded people.
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written by Peter1, Sun 23 Dec 2007 13:57:17 CST
I also fell for the Voglee scam. After paying for the suits I searched the net at my hotel and felt victimized. Worst part is, I had such a good reputation of Thai people given how friendly the "actors" were. I live in a big city and am not too naive when it comes to scams . . . however, these guys were very good.

With that said, when I returned to Voglee for my fitting I gently mentioned that I read up on teh internet about the scam and made up this sob story about how I am a poor student, and this is alot of money to me. Also mentioned that I knew I could receive some refund by contacting the police, even though I didn't want to necessarily do so. I was able to have them make me another suit and throw in a few more shirts . . . the quality and particularly the fit seemed fine during my fitting. Let's hope the others match up!
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written by Sophia, Thu 10 Jan 2008 08:13:23 CST
I wish that I did my research before going to Thailand, that's what I get for trusting a distant family member who is also a tour guide!

A few weeks ago, we ordered 4 suits from Manhattan store. I am very disappointed in what we received. The suits we got in the mail are not near what we were told we were purchasing and had several craftsmanship flaws.

Below is some of the issues we discovered: 1) Men suit jackets - the back of both men jackets (black striped and solid black) were with splits on the sides. I had requested only a single slit in the back as shown at the fitting. 2) Men solid black pants - the pants were about 2 inches to short. 3) Men black striped pants: The waist on the pants is to large. 4) Men black striped pants: Do not have any button to button the pants. Duh! 5) Women's pants (both suits) - The women's pants are missing lining down to the knee as requested and as shown on the sample provided to my wife.
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written by Andy, Sat 19 Jan 2008 19:24:47 CST
Guys afer reading the messages left on this site i was extremely concerned about what i had done , parting with £600 for 3, 3 piece suits a shirt a 3 ties.

I think there are several things to cover off

1. the tuk tuk guys get petrol vouchers for delivering tourists to the tailors so of course people are going to promote. thai people look aftre each other.
2. you have to be clear what you want the cut , the hang etc etc
3. do not buy if you are shipping , ensure you have time to go back and check the quality .

i visited Bangkok & was bought into the idea that i could have custom made suits. The waffle about i make suits for armani etc etc is bull shit but come on !!! The leaflets/books handed out are given away at fashion shows around the world at the end of a season so you or me could show them to anyone and say this is what i do. Even so i liked the quality of the material and thought i would give it a go. Went back the next day for a fitting where trousers on 1 suit had been done blazer on another had been done and after a few slight changes i was happy regarding size. by the way the shirt was finished and i have never had a better shirt.

Traveled around thailand for 3 weeks read the messages and started to panic.

Went back to Bangkok and went to pick up suits . They were ok but on each one there were minor errors i.e twisted material on waist coat or too much material which had disfigured a blazer.

I spoted this even in the bad light room they took me in to try on (common trick of any tailor around the world) I was very insistant on the changes i req'd and gave them 3 hrs to fix.

On return the suits were perfect.

For comparison i only where armani and hugo boss in the uk so this was very much an experiment for me to see if i could buy 3 suits for what i usually pay for 1.

As an acid test i visited a friend who is the store manager for Boss in the uk whilst wearing one of the suits , he was so impressed!!!

I absolutely love them all they fit like a glove, everyone comments on quality and asks where did i purchase from.

I have to admit my other half is a fashion designer for mens clothing so i was extremely supported in her knowledge of how a piece should be manufactured and how it should sit througout the process. I think she scared them a bit .

I come back to my first point only do it if you know exactly what you want, you can afford for it to go wrong in both cost and time to be a ble to put it right.

ps i would not order now from the uk as my expectation would be that i would need for them to do so many alterations the suit would clock up more air miles than me in my lifetime.

Hope my thoughts and comments help you out.

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written by Jan, Fri 25 Jan 2008 05:31:46 CST
I'm just back from Thailand and had very similar experiences to the others who've posted here: I, too, was approached on the street with the story about it being the last day for a special promotion for tourists to buy "Armani-style" suits, a story later verified at a wat by a young lawyer I just happened to meet while my tuk-tuk driver was indisposed. I ended up at Voglee Export Tailors (the address is 121-123/125 Prachatipatai Road, Bangkhunprom, Pranakorn, Bangkok 10200 Thailand, Tel 0-2629-2219 or 0-2629-2279) where I dealt with a very skilled salesman. I had more than a little buyer's remorse after leaving the store--I certainly didn't plan to make such a large purchase while in Bangkok (1 or 2 suits, great, but 5 suits and 8 blouses! Good grief, Jan, really!). I arranged to have the clothes delivered to my hotel on my very last day in Asia though I was arriving late at night and leaving very early the next morning--a truly nerve wracking situation, but it was the only opportunity to take the clothes with me. But I must say, Voglee Export Tailors delivered the goods just as agreed, nicely packaged and on hangers in Voglee suit bags. The garments I received are beautifully made and fit me perfectly. As the "attorney" told me, the suits came to roughly $200 each and blouses about $32 each, which would be very good prices for off-the-rack clothing--extraordinarily reasonable for custom-tailored clothes. They are beautifully detailed and finished exactly how I ordered them. It was a bit extravagant, to be sure, but no one held a gun to my head and I know I'll get a great deal of use out of these new clothes. I don't like to learn that I was quite so manipulated, but I certainly can't complain about the products.
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written by Darren, Sun 27 Jan 2008 10:38:19 CST
These stories are hilarious. I have been to Thailand 6 times and never been scammed. Get street smart people!
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written by going to thailand in 10 days, Mon 28 Jan 2008 13:43:15 CST
I WILL NOT BE SCAMMED ONCE-MARL MY WORDS! I can't say I won't try to scam some of them, though :o)
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written by going to thailand in 10 days, Mon 28 Jan 2008 13:45:36 CST
(LOL) that would be "Mark my words"!

Basically if anyone approaches you, it's just like a telemarketing phone call...."did I call you"? then why are you talking to me?

"I don't recall asking you to walk up and offer me a suit" "I don't recall walking up to you asking to buy gemstone from you"

Last effort, don't speak english, speak TUT or another language they'll never figure out (hey, try pig latin) LOL!
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written by simon, Fri 01 Feb 2008 19:20:49 CST
best tailor in Bangkok is Le Nakornsawan
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written by patrick, Thu 07 Feb 2008 13:39:07 CST
Why not just leave? I was brought to a tailor run by Indians. I told them I wasn't really in the market for a suit, they insisted a few times and tried showing me things and I had to say no to them about 20 times, but I got out without purchasing a thing

I had been in Mumbai and Delhi, India for several weeks before going to Bangkok. If you think Bangkok is bad, you aint seen nothing until you see the scams in Delhi/Bombay
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written by hank, Sun 17 Feb 2008 23:03:28 CST
An old friend of mine who has retired to Pattaya brought me to Next Fashion Chonburi to have a couple of suits made...I have never seen such a shameful display of poor tailoring and outright fraud as I have with these characters...At my first fitting I noticed that the material was polyester, not the wool I had paid for..they said thaqt was the material I had selected, but if I were to buy another (third) suit then they would start over and make all wool...on the second fitting they tried to get me to buy counterfeit Armani and Hugo Boss suit linings--they told me if I wanted suits without lining so be it--finally I agreed to an additional 3000 Baht for suit lining, and I warned them that I would pay no more.

Needless to say in spite of all of my additional charges and instructions about what was to be made they ended up trying to pass off two polyester suits and one wool (blend?) suit with some amazingly bad tailoring--crooked seams, mismatched buttons and holes, one suit had the pockets at least 3cm off in relation to one another --one pair of trousers had a repair in the middle of the leg which looked like a misplaced button hole!

I refused to accept the lot, and they kept trying to deliver them to my hotel--I was staying at my friend's villa so naturally this wouldn't have worked even had I been willing to give out this information.

I gave them a couple of more shots to get it right, but it was clear that they were waiting for my last day so they could force me to take them...they even suggested mailing them to me for 4000 Baht!

My friend was beside himself over the affair, and he felt since I was involved with these low-lifes on his recommendation that he should pay me all of the money I lost...Naturally I refused his money.

On my last evening I went back around 1900 by myself and they had all of my suits nicely trussed up and ready to travel...of course I opened all of the bags and found the same exact crap that they tried to pass off on me days before...Being a generally reserved person I uncharacteristically decided to make a bit of a scene, and in the span of 10 or so minutes I was able to warn off a couple of prospective customers while demanding my money back (naturally knowing full well that these Indians probably didn't have 100 Baht between them)..as am final insult I dropped everything on the floor, stepped on it and for good measure spit on it on my way out the door--again very uncharacteristic of me!

In the end the money I lost was negligible--I have lost considerably more in worse ways, and I didn't let it get in the way of the fun I had while in Thailand, or my friendship.

If you want a suit tailor made while in Thailand accept it for what it is-- a gamble. If the tailor happens to have a lot of the material you like (he probably isn't actually using the material on display in his shop) and you are an easy size to fit, you might get a nice suit. On the other hand if he is low on material, and needs cash be prepared to get something less than satisfactory made from whatever material he has on hand. If I had to do it again (which I doubt I would) I would give no more than 10% down, and I wouldn't necessarily rely on the words of others--the quality in any shop is likely very hit or miss depending on what day it is.
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written by Tuk Tuk driver in Bangkok, Wed 20 Feb 2008 14:27:16 CST
to good to be true...............
good item and cheap price are never have in the world.........
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written by Alan, Thu 21 Feb 2008 07:46:22 CST
It would be easier for everybody who goes to Thailand on holiday to shop at a reputable business such as the BIG C aka CARREFOUR SUPERMARKETS also just called CARREFOUR which is French owned and everything is a fixed price or TESCO LOTUS which a branch of the British Tesco with Thai partners .They are found all over Thailand and are in Pattaya and Phuket Island too.You will not be ripped off there and you can even get a Tax Refund Vouchar. If you spend more than 2500 Bahts you can claim the Tax back at the Airport.Also you will pay about £5-00 or $10-00 for a good quality all cotton long sleeved shirt or less than £1-00 or $2-00 for a pair of all cotton boxer shorts.If you want a Silk Dress for your Wife or a Silk shirt for yourself the best place to shop for them in Pattaya is RUEN THAI SILK which is just opposite the Rose Garden Shopping Centre in Central Pattaya, a Long Sleeve Shirt costs about £50-00 or $100-00 made to measure.
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written by Alan, Thu 21 Feb 2008 07:54:02 CST
PS If you dont want to buy a suit just tell the Sikh/Indian tailor that you can buy one cheaper at home imported from China for £12-50 or $25-00 US off the peg.They cant match these prices.
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written by dave lewis, Sat 23 Feb 2008 03:25:53 CST
you idiots have you not got a brain, have you not got any balls either. you get every you deserve.
if i come across you in thailand i will try and scam you myself.
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written by Jay, Sat 23 Feb 2008 06:01:53 CST
Dave,
You sound like just another "Inernet Mike Tyson".
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written by vicky, Wed 27 Feb 2008 11:31:47 CST
this is written specially for alan because he has specially mentioned sikh/indian tailors.
i am also a sikh.
i know that when you are walking on a street so many people try to drag into their shops and may be from those one of them you found a sikh also so thats why you have written sikh/indian
just go in deep and see carefully after how many tailor you found a sikh dragging you in his shop.i think not more then 1 or 2%
reality is that most of the tailor shops are running by burmese and nepalese
who are living here in thailand illegally.they dont have manner how to talk and what to sell to the customer.
and you can think yourself self that even if you are getting a suit for 25 pound (which is not possible)what quality are you getting for that price.
But this i will suggest to everyone that when you ate in thailand try to ignore all these tuk-tuk who take you all these big shops for the commission of 300 baht (if you dont buy)and 30% if you buy from that store
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written by Rory, Fri 29 Feb 2008 19:40:30 CST
Their are some good tailor shops,but SHOP AROUND,i ask for a small bit of material used thats chosen for my suit.and pay as little deposit as possible.if after and not up to standard,warn them if not corrected you
will report them & walk away.MONEY INVOLVED IS BUSINESS.Treat it like that.
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written by Jim, Thu 06 Mar 2008 11:42:36 CST
In Pattaya, the tailor shops all appear to run by Indians. Their aggressive manner has been criticized for ages, but that aspect of the way they do business doesn't really bother me -- they're easy enough to ignore. What does bother me, and what I feel qualifies as a scam is the fact that they don't actually do any of the tailoring work. When a customer is "dragged" into one of their stores and sold a suit or other item of clothing, they take the material(s) that have been selected and go down to one of the many "sweat shops" located near the parking lot of the Tuk Com computer complex. There you can see who does the actually cutting and sewing -- Thais of all ages and description with their sewing machines, working in dingy little shops -- evidence of the pittance they are paid by the Indian tailor shop owners. For this reason, I never give these shops any business. Their method of earning a living seems parasitic to me.
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written by baz, Sat 15 Mar 2008 14:29:14 CDT
What sort of scams can u do Dave [I've never been scammed] Lewis ?
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written by 50/50 happy customer, Mon 17 Mar 2008 22:41:28 CDT
I got "scammed" into going to a few suit shops. The kid on the street who told us about the "special one week only open to public" sale, also had the curtesy of mapping out our entire day, tourist spots, temples, markets, historical locations etc. Bought the suits from the store he recommended, didn't overpay, but definately not happy with the quality. I prefer my off the racks from JC Penney. However, I did end up buying about 20 shirts from Manhattan Tailors. I paid about $25 each. I can honestly say these are the best quality shirts I have ever owned with the minor exception that some of the buttons needed to be replaced. Perfect fit, great material. Everyone I have spoken to agrees, custom suits from Thailand...ehhh, its hit or miss...Shirts however always great if you can bargain them down to a reasonable price.
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written by khnawazir, Sun 23 Mar 2008 13:06:18 CDT
the thailand Em ner group scame with me now i want help from thailand polce man
what can i do with em advance inter group .this company make me wrong goods and export me.
what can i do for that company.this goods not saleing in our contry .
inform me the thailand police man
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written by bobby, Mon 24 Mar 2008 21:16:19 CDT
i dont know why people bother to buy clothes in thailand, i find now its just as cheap in the uk and you can take it back
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written by Max, Thu 03 Apr 2008 05:52:32 CDT
Absolutely buy clothes in Thailand, good quality and prices, but never, never, ever deal in any way with people who approach you on the streets, especially in Bangkok, no matter who they say they are; they'll all con men. I've been there many times and have heard of all these scams and many more.
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written by nova, Fri 04 Apr 2008 16:11:00 CDT
Le Nakornsawan is definetely NOT the best, opposite to what simon says. It's just another expensive rip-off as any other described here.
I'm not going to bore you with my story as it's pretty much the same as what many people obviously experienced. If I tell this story to any of my friends, I cannot believe it myself. I travel around the world for about 10 years now and I was pretty sure I was smart enough to keep away from this.
The only thing I can say is that it's almost a network of contacts that tried to trick me into this trap. I was advised by 3 (independent) people of who one was an official tourist guide that gave me some decent other tips, so I trusted him. Maybe he was not aware of the other people in this scam, I cannot tell for sure, but it ended anyway by a tuk tuk driver bringing me to this rip-off tailor. A very big shop, many other tourists were buying too, I must say it looked really convincing and everything I got to see was good quality and perfectly finished. The next day however, off course only few hours before returning home, I got something completely different to see. None of the tissues I had chosen matched with what they delivered, the finishing was very very sloppy and it all looked very cheap. I'm not an expert, but I know I can distinguish quality from rubbish. I bought 2 suits, 2 shirts and 1 coat for 34000 Baht, all so-called cashmere, which it certainly isn't! Upon delivery, I asked some help from my hotel's concierge and he instantly confirmed that this tailor is not to be trusted. Unfortunately I could not reject the order as it was already paid in advance while the form I signed mentioned 'agreement upon payment'. The concierge told me this is not the case with legitimate tailors who deliver quality for a decent price where you can always get between 50% and 100% of your payment back in case you're not satisfied. I even had to be lucky that they at least delivered something that comes (not so) close to what was promised.
Anyway, the only advise I can give is also mentioned often on this page: if you don't need it, then stay away and don't buy. If you're looking for some good bargain, then ask help from trusty people, never pay in advance and carefully read what you sign. I know it's all pretty basic, but if you don't know the language, the local customs and especially this kind of traps, then you're just another victim in their eyes.
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written by Wolf, Sun 06 Apr 2008 02:25:17 CDT
I fell for this 12 years ago - not exactly a new scam - the place is still there in Sukhamvit Soi near the Thai Business Hotel. Had the fitting and ordered two suitgs with extra trousers and some womens suits for my mother (before I was married). Only onea sumit was complete - the extra trousers missing - the other suit was minus its trousers. The materials were right and in the style I ordered. The one suit fell apart in just a few months - my normal suits last years (off the peg from M&S and Next) with cycling between them. Send some Thais to complain, but they didn't get anywhere as the shop said they sent it all. All the women's stuff was crap. Only cost me $99USD, so wasn't too worried, but once bitten. Now I get my good clothes at department stores and kicking about in clothes from, the market.
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written by Andy Krull, Tue 22 Apr 2008 00:34:32 CDT
Similar experience at King International/King's International on Khao San Rd. "Japanese Silk" shirts I bought fell apart immediately and I found the material to be polyester (burn test). Fit isn't great either. Too tight in the back & no ability to move your arms.

I more or less knew this was a gamble tho so it was all part of the experience. I'll buy clothes here in Canada in the future. I've found quality wool suits for a similar price here anyway.

Andy
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written by Jon, Sun 27 Apr 2008 19:32:42 CDT
In doing research on my Thai Gem Scam of June 2000, I noticed that the address of AAA Jewelry 1999 LTD., 121-125 Prachatipatai Rd., Bangkunprom, Bangkok 10200 is now part of the tailor scam. It is probably the same group of touts luring tourists as they did for years for jewelry. From some time in 1999 through at least June, 2000 the business at the above address was known as AAA Jewelry, then it was known as Marin Gems through March 2002, then it was known as Dheves Gems through January 2003, then it was known as Kawin Gems Company through December 2003. Since that time it has been a tailor shop but I bet the same group of touts attract the tourist to the shop.
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written by Ray Foley, Mon 28 Apr 2008 02:20:23 CDT
I just kick them in the balls if the try to SCAM me
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written by Owl, Mon 28 Apr 2008 14:07:16 CDT
Ray, did you do that to the girl you paid? (story on other thread) ;)
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written by Andy Krull, Sat 03 May 2008 01:19:58 CDT
Read this link if you are interested in tailoring clothes in BKK:

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/thread.jspa?threadID=1207953
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written by Andy, Sat 03 May 2008 12:56:19 CDT
I recently bought a tailor made suit in Bangkok, manhantan tailors, the suit was ok with one shirt and 2 ties it cost 9000 baht. But I can buy a suit with better material off the peg in UK and pay less. So its probably not worth the hassle to buy in Thailand when its cheaper and easier to buy at home.
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written by Alex Scott, Wed 21 May 2008 07:47:29 CDT
Do NOT do business with Le Nakornsawan for any custom made clothing. They are part of a major SCAM operation.

You will end up getting your way there via a scam, often someone on the street will offer help if your around the Kings Palace or needing some help finding something. They often tell you its a special day where you can buy direct from the manufacturer, or you will get some unreal deal.

They just deal with sweat shops and dont deliver what you order.

In my case I bought a suit, extra jacket, shirt and tie

I paid $850 buks then read about the scams, called them 2 hours later to cancel and they would not deal with me. I had the hotel call them and speak Thai to cancel the order. Later visa would not assist me as I had signed their papers saying satisfaction is accepted at payment and the suit had not even been made

I did not get my goods and they kept the $850

Stay away from Le Nakornsawan in Dustit Bankok 10300
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written by simon, Tue 24 Jun 2008 03:07:26 CDT
STAY AWAY from Mr. Armani (Mr. Monish) 86/2 Soi Rambuttri, opposite of Viengtai Hotel in Banglampoo! He promised to send me the 4 shirts i've ordered, called him 2 times from here but he was just telling me, the stuff should be on its way--now 4 months ago.
Kick him in the a** if you ever get there...
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written by Marion, Fri 27 Jun 2008 08:21:42 CDT
Narai Fashion in Silom Road near Narai Hotel are cheats and thieves. I ordered a suit, another pair of pants and 2 blouses, my friend the same. When they weren't ready we paid extra to have them posted. Many phone calls, emails, visits from travelling friends and 22 months later, I collected my goods... not without another 6 or so visits, threats, etc. My friend had lost her receipt and was not so lucky. If I had not returned to Bangkok, I would still be waiting too.
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written by Scribe, Sat 02 Aug 2008 10:30:27 CDT
It's well known these days that most, though not all, Bangkok tailors do a pretty dismal job. And yet some newcomers still fall for the spiel. The shop's fast-talking front men are just that - the real tailoring is done in factories by very low-paid employees. With shops like Primark (yes, I know, Primark have been accused of using cheap labour in devbeloping nations!!!) in the UK offering decent off-the-peg suits, shirts etc at such low prices nowadays - and there are plenty of more expensive alternatives - it's amazing anyone bothers with 'Thai' tailors. Friends of mine who have lived in Thailand for decades buy their clothes while on holiday back home.
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written by Jim, Wed 06 Aug 2008 00:13:56 CDT
At the end of the day, the way to go is NOT, I repeat, NOT NOT NOT fall for these scams. Do not believe the taxi/tuk tuk drivers, and DO NOT NOT NOT buy from the shops they take you to.

Do the research. I Promise you scribe, there are good "Thai" tailors out there. Ones that make clothes that are a lot cheaper then back in the UK. You just have to find one and you'll be happy to stick with them for all your future clothes.
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written by iain, Wed 13 Aug 2008 03:01:01 CDT
I have been to pattaya many times and reading through the other coments made it. Makes me smile if you buy anything the final payment should be made after you the goods arrive this is the safest way to make sure the quality is good and you have what you ordered it seems to the yanks have money to give away and lets face it the thai people will always help a person in need lol iain (UK)
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written by dkit, Wed 13 Aug 2008 04:37:23 CDT
ESCUSE MY IGNORANCE WHAT DOES LOL MEAN?
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written by LOLOLOLOL, Fri 15 Aug 2008 11:06:11 CDT
LOL is Laugh Out Loud. in stead of haha i guess....
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written by thai man, Wed 20 Aug 2008 23:29:14 CDT
i work in hotel .Many victim of the locan conman who walk aroud sukhumvit rd.
they have team tuk tuk and conman tailors. Bad indain .
remember they not thai and thai people don.t like them also
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written by Richard from OZ, Thu 21 Aug 2008 09:37:26 CDT
A lot of these post have the same common theme. It is people own naivety and inexperience that is causing them to get ripped off. Follow these few golden rules:

1. If a Thai person approaches you and starts a conversation, they are just after you money. Thais are generally very shy and wont start a conversation with a farang stranger.

2. Tuk Tuk drivers, nice men on the street etc, are all touts for tailors/go go bars etc. Their sole aim is to get you to go with them to one of these business's where they get a slice of the pie if you buy something. Dont trust ANYTHING the say.

3. Shop around, and do your homework. A rule of thumb is that in the densly populated tourist areas, Phuket, Samui etc you will NOT get value for money.
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written by John, Thu 21 Aug 2008 10:47:11 CDT
I bought a suit from Manhattan tailors in Sukhumvit 9000 baht, was ok nothing great, definently not worth 9000 baht, told me it was best material, but was not. Can buy better cheaper off the peg i UK and the states.
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written by angela, Sat 23 Aug 2008 12:19:08 CDT
so after all this scam some one can tell me where are the good tailors??
thank you
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written by Jan, Sun 24 Aug 2008 12:31:41 CDT
This is to express my greatest dissatisfaction with the work of 'MACWAYS' tailor, Soi 5 Siam Square. The usual bull@#$*.... "We definitely finish before you leave,... when do you leave,.... don't worry, we have a reputation,.... we want long term business relationship with our customers,....
In spite of assuring to me that my suits will be ready by Saturday evening, they were still not completed as agreed on Sunday, noon! Of course, the shop is closed on Sundays.
The tailor who was supposed to come to the hotel at 10am on Sunday to do the finishing touches did not even show up but had dropped the stuff at the hotel. Needless to say, the jackets are still not OK, the buttonholes on the jackets were forgotten (again!) and the pants had not been altered as agreed. Actually, none of the needed alterations had been done!!!

The telephone number which I was given revealed an unknowing woman who was seemingly an employee. After a lot of talking with interpreters from the hotel executive floor, the tailor was supposed to come at 12h which he failed. I wasted time and money.

Rest assured that the 'long term business relationship' has already ended. MACWAYS tailor workmanship is as bad as the shop looks.


Jan

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written by chris clyburn, Mon 25 Aug 2008 10:53:26 CDT
I was working in Singapore last year and visited Manhattan Tailor... I had a bit of a different experience! I love my suits, perfect fit and great material. I bought 2 suits: 100% kashmir, 3 piece, shirt, and 8 ties all for 700 USD. Maybe that was paying too much but I was extremely satisfied and would not have been able to get the same deal in the US. Bargaining isn't about how much less you could have paid, but whether or not you were satisfied with the price you paid at the time of the purchase.
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written by Ann, Tue 02 Sep 2008 05:46:23 CDT
Has anyone ever disputed successfully and got the credit back from the credit card company?
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written by craig, Sat 13 Sep 2008 19:54:43 CDT
It was, in short, an eye opener for me while in Bangkok to see a tailor shop in just about every corner of Bangkok. You know, I’d read on the internet before that tailors were in large amounts in Bangkok, but this was shocking! Just purely shocking how there can be so many tailors and all still in business! Some were HUGE, like 3-4 shop houses big, others were TINY, like 1/2 a shop house! I don’t understand how they all make their money and survive. It just does not make logical sense to me.

Apart from that however, I did have a great, entertaining and very pleasant atmosphere getting my suits and shirts done up, and because I enjoyed this process quite alot (along with the (VERY) cheap massages), it is worth taking the time to write about it.

Alright, so before I hit Bangkok, I’d done my research and shortlisted a few places to hit while in Bkk. In the end, I picked based on comfort, way of talking and variety of fabrics from the 3-4 shops I had shortlisted.

I had alot of days in Bangkok, so decided to get just one suit and one shirt COMPLETELY done up before ordering more (to see how the suits would turn out). Well, lets just say that I had never had suits and shirts fit me that well before and HONESTLY, I’d NEVER spent as much as I did at a “fashion outlet” (i.e. clothes shopping) as I did at Ambassador & Smart fashion . Yes, after that 1 suit and 1 shirt, I added 3 more suits and 13 more shirts to the order. That was how impressed I was with the fit of the clothes. Remarkable I must say, both the turnaround time as well as the fit achieved.

Either ways, overimpressed is how I felt after this experience so to pass the word on to others. Ambassador & Smart fashion, one of the regular sized shops, located just inside of Sukhumvit soi 19. Well lit, so I doubt you’d miss it.
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written by Bangkok Bill, Mon 29 Sep 2008 08:45:21 CDT
Written by the owner of the shop(above)
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written by MIKEY, Mon 29 Sep 2008 22:47:16 CDT
Keep in mind, honest ( quality) taylors do not need to lure customers into their shops. ( same goes for most successful, ligit businesses)

also, beware of fake ( synth) materials, some will go up in flames (with you in the suit) at the touch of a cigarett ember)
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written by Theo, Mon 29 Sep 2008 23:13:33 CDT
People here told me that the job in Thailand often is not done well. Tailers here said its not even the right fit. One guy here told me one of the arms of the suite was torn off during a marriage party. A child was hanging on it a little bit. Well everybody had a good laugh I guess.
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written by Tug, Tue 30 Sep 2008 23:38:54 CDT
Oh dear, don't people realise they get what they pay for? I have lived here for many years and I can say without exception that ALL the so called bespoke tailoring done here is of an extremely sub standard quality and anyone who says that their suit(or whatever) is great then they know nothing about what a good garment should look (and hang) like. The sort of man who is happy with his suit etc has a shaved head, tattoos, wears a singlet or football shirt(as the norm), is 5 foot 3ins in his white trainers and reads the Sun and I nearly forgot, he frequents psuedo Irish bars on a Sunday for his dandruff laden buffet lunch. Yuk!
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written by Theo, Wed 01 Oct 2008 02:10:43 CDT
I agree Mr Tug Only "get what you pay for"? For falangs may be it appears cheap To Thai standards that bad made suit is not cheap at all. Considering that it is a rip off
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written by ozzie 07, Sun 05 Oct 2008 03:50:54 CDT
TONYS FASHION HOUSE pratunam 2 beautifull leather jackets , 3 silk shirts , 2 cashmere trousers , all for 25000 baht . custom made . All hand delivered to hotel for final fitting by sales assistant , tried on and checked for fit and quality , perfect fit . Had for 3 years now and still like new. Best tailor in thailand . near INDRA REGENT HOTEL , no problems with them.
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written by Andrea - UK, Tue 07 Oct 2008 03:36:28 CDT
I recently spent time in Thailand and visited LE NAKORN SAWAN TAILOR in Bangkok. I am heartened, angry and disappointed about yours and my experience for those who have been ripped off. Though I was informed that Tuk Tuks may try to take you to different places, I had no idea that 'helpful locals' were part of the same scam and didn't put two and two together until after the whole experience when I realised (like others) that the two 'independent' people on my journey to 'other tourist attractions' were clearly part of the same scam. I was told the spiel about the Grand Palace being closed, that I needed to wear closed shoes, the tailor was an exporter normally except for 'this week' and they went as far as to say you could visit a factory to see the clothes being made. All crap. For some bizarre reason I was interested seeing the clothes made - why when it was probably a sweat shop! This was all lies but at the time you think, oh I must have heard that wrong. I saw the shop, thought it looked respectable and I decided to buy a few things. Remember at the time I did't realise what had happened. Once I had realised I thought well if I like / get the clothes who cares I 've got a good deal. I went to pick up my clothes and they were half made. I suspected they were using different materials, some with different patterns, but I couldn't be sure and I didn't want to offend them. The so called 'Master Tailor' couldn't have made my suits less feminine if he sewed them together with his eyes closed. On this second visit I confronted them about the scam and asked for a discount. Instead, and I didn't mind at the time, they offered to make me an additional suit at no extra cost. I took the offer. Too greedy wasn't I and too bloody good to be true wasn't it. I am now back home in the UK and fuming silently. I emailed LE NAKORN SAWAN and was told that the goods had been dispatched by Thai Post (with a reference) 6 days before I got back home. It has now been 10 days and I've emailed to find out where they are exactly. No reply. If the situation changes folks and I get a decent outcome to this I will of course come back to the site to let you know. I fear the worst and I'll do my best to try and take it up legally as i have a receipt if that means anything at all. If I had known what you've all realised too..DON'T TRUST HELPFUL THAI LOCALS I'd have been home dry. I've honestly never travelled anywhere that does this to tourists. The worst I've had is a timeshare scout offering a free breakfast to consider a timeshare - atleast they were honest about it!! As this scam wasn't mentioned to me in all it's different guises I don't think I could have done anything differently as I was genuinely interested to buy the clothes. That's what annoyed me and what I told LE NAKORN SAWAN. Watch this space...
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written by Andrea - UK, Tue 14 Oct 2008 21:39:39 CDT
I have an update. Allthough I received no response to my concerns about the garments that hadn't arrived from Le Nakorn Sawoan back to me in the UK...they did arrive 2-3wks later than expected. Guess I was lucky. The finish is good. I wasn't impressed with the cut on the trousers given that I have a female shape and they look like laborourer box trousers! Apart from that the skirt suits, shirts and PJs were all fine.

If I could do this again...I wouldn't go through the hassle. It is possible to be safe though with some good advice which I've hopefully got for people here...

Tips...
Don't listen to anyone on the street or in tuk tuks about promotions or not being able to get to your destination. Everything they say is crap seriously. They want to divert you.
If you want to get tailored clothes, find a recommended tailor and simply go straight there.
Walk away if you think it's adding up to money you didn't plan on spending.
If you go ahead...have at least 2 fittings (including a final fitting)
Make sure you can collect the clothes before you leave Thailand and insist that the are ready.
Don't pay any more than around £75 for 2-3 suits ie. a jacket, skirt and trouser set.
Most of the clothes I bought in thailand on the street cost £2 or less so forget the price you'd normally pay at home. There's no comparison. Thai clothes are cheap cheap cheap!
Barter for good measure, get a 30% discount and something like PJs or ties thrown in.
Make sure they pick up any postage if needed.
Confirm the time it will take to arrive.
Ask for a confirmation email with the Thai Post reference once it has been posted.
Pay on your credit card or even better, pay half while they are made and half on completion.
If they insist on cash...walk away. It's not worth the sleepless nights.
Take samples of the clothes so you can remember the material used. I was fitted using simiar but not the same materials that I selected and luckily I noticed.

Happy holidays.
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written by jessie tay, Fri 24 Oct 2008 20:54:48 CDT
Please beware. do not trust the indians, sikhs, tuk tuk drivers, hotel concierge and touts you meet on the street saying everything is close its a public holiday today line. Follow your insticts and you will be safe in bangkok. Its still a very charming city.
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written by Dan9, Sat 08 Nov 2008 20:02:08 CST
This is one of the most famous tailor game that goes around in Bangkok.
Avoid the big shops that you go in and prefer to walk through the small shops.The big shops usually give you a rip off price and bad quality since they would want to meet you once while the smaller ones would want to meet you and your friends again.
The Bangkok tailor trade goes back to many generations and its all a hit and miss case depending in how the busy the shop is.
I usually go to Excelsior since they have been giving me good quality at a reasonable price and i really feel i can trust him.
The shop is hardly attractive enough to snare walk-ins along Bangkok's touristy Suriwongse Road. Set in a row of nondescript shops, it consists of one narrow room stacked with bolts of cloth.
It is good to do your research well since there are over 500 tailor shops and lots of touts trying to pull you into the bigger department tailor shops so they too get a no investiment scheme share of 30 to 40 percent cut share.
Cheers
The shop is hardly attractive enough to snare walk-ins along Bangkok's touristy Suriwongse Road. Set in a row of nondescript shops, it consists of one narrow room stacked with bolts of cloth.
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written by Khun Luck, Sun 09 Nov 2008 05:18:10 CST
Remember, The Tailor shops pay 200 THB for the sewing and 10 THB for motorcycle delivery.
The fabric is usually not what they claim. A rip off.
Their cost for the entire suit is 1,300 THB .
There probably is an honest Tailor in bangkok...somewhere....I have not met him yet...

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written by Bangkok tailor, Fri 14 Nov 2008 19:18:11 CST
I have a bangkok tailor shop. I would think tailor business is like a retail outlet where customer comes for service for made to measure. All tailors in Bangkok need to pay for shop rent and all the expense in keeping up with the stocks and the setting up cost. So if any tailor shop that can sell you a suit at 1300 Baht that would be an awesome.
The average price would be 4000-5000 Baht per suit for the shop to survive covering up all its expense.
so its not as expensive as other places since the selection is vast and great bargain to get fitted..
Its like calculating on the cost price of the suit. Frankly speaking the cost of each suit has gone really up to more than 1300 Baht. Only the stitching cost starts for more than 1600 .
so its a great bargain still to get fitted in Bangkok
Cheers,
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written by Journeyman, Mon 17 Nov 2008 12:53:49 CST
Guys, enough about scams. Well, if you are going to buy suits in Thailnd,you have to be smarter than the tailors,Well I bought a suit from NAIHARN BOSS TAILOR in phuket (Naiharn Beach).Very good quality,now you might say how do you know it's good quality,well burn aa small piece of suit material to test whether it's wool or not,if it burns fast and smell like plastic burnt,you know it's poly.If it burns slowly and smell like hair burnt,it's wool for sure.I have repeated my orders from my hometown here in chicago,they send my staffs till here,i can pay through bank usually after receiving the goods. They ask me to pay after receiving the goods.Which means they are honest,You have to look around.I bought many suits from several tailors in Bangkok and elsewhere. But The tailor i am mentioning is a kind of tailor run by family,good workmanship compared to any others,for example lining of jacket,fabric for shirts,buttons for shirts,everything standard. You cannot point a FINGER at a TUK TUK driver or YOUR TOUR GUIDE ot TOUTS, it's how smart you are.Thailand is a beautiful place to travel around and good place to buy good if you know where to buy.I see someone suggesting people to go to foreign Owned malls to buy things,which is not right,The money you going to spend, should be spent for locals.Otherwise all tourist money will go back to where they come from.LOcals expect money from tourists. Go back to Thaialnd and be smarter.........I have the e-mail of the boss tailor,which is This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
Good luck Pals
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written by Burmese boy, Mon 17 Nov 2008 13:30:27 CST
This message specially for VICKY who has a comment on this page that he mentioned Burmese and Nepalese. Well,let me tell you something dummy, all you sikhs employed those people in a very very aggressive way. You guys look down at them,employ them for less money than you would pay to your Brother indians.And working hours in you guys shops range from 12 to 13 hours a day and no holidays. Where did you guys come from,you father or your father's father must have come from India to Thailand looking for a better living here. Did they have passports at that time when they came here. I know what they did and many do. You greedy money loaners,you'll loan money to some and charge a big interest rate.If those can't pay back you'll take their lands or houses. That's why most of the condos in touristy areas are owned by indians (sikhs).You can stop blaming us for having a low business and start doing a good work,you guys will go to sweden,norway,finland,denmark many more place to take orders,which is rediculous,someone who don't know how to sew a handkerchief is trying to pretend like a highly experienced tailor man. You guys ripped off the customers,you tought them (burmese)how to be greedy.But I can stand up and say there are good burmese and bad burmese, so there are bad indians(sikh) and good indians(sikh).I have some wonderful sikh friends. And specially,my suggestion to you MR..BIG BIG VICKY..try making friendship with the people not for your interest,I am not sure if you guys can.Cas..all you want is advantage from anyone you see.ADMIT IT (sikhs)
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written by Theo, Mon 17 Nov 2008 18:49:06 CST
I always wear Hugo Boss bought in Holland of course. Alittle bit more expensive but... In the Bangkok Park Regency were I always stay in Bangkok, they have an Esan boy to keep my suits reap roi.
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written by Sascha, Mon 17 Nov 2008 21:55:56 CST
Thx for your comments. 2 days before i was in the shop of voglee export. Everything began with a foreign thai who shows us nice places in Bangkok and the shop. Which is only opened for 7 Days per Year for private customers. After 1 hour i broked up the deal. We wanted to order 4 suites 18 shirts. I am a experienced professional in sales, but felt in. Only in the last seconds i stopped the deal because we should sign a agreement for the deal.
Take care of you! They tell you false things, like:
"if anything is wrong with the deal, then you can call your credit card company to cancel the payment!"

Believe this would never work! Because with your authorisation/ signature is the money transfered to the tailor.

I decided to by a suite in germany. May be not tailormade and more expensive as in bangkok. There i know what i get and not for my money.
read you
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written by Lukcy, Thu 20 Nov 2008 18:09:27 CST
I have tailor shop in 5 soi Rambutri Chakrapong RD, Banglampoo, Bangkok, 10200, email: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it , We are give very good quality suits, shirts in very good price. Come and look, if you like you make, don;t like don;t make.
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written by John, Thu 27 Nov 2008 20:15:25 CST
While my stay at somerset lake point(soi 16) sukhumvit, i brough 25 shirts and 7 suits from Tailor pro Fashion,They are professional at what they do.You can also get a refund back if you don't like there goods as the location is inisde 5 star hotel, they fear about being complain.My wife made a satin silk dress which came out good and we look forward to go back again
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written by D2U, Sat 29 Nov 2008 00:43:52 CST
I went on holiday and i intended stopping off in Bankok. Due to the civil unrest i could not get into Bankok and i lost €1000 which i had already paid for my holiday in Bankok. I had been looking forward to buying suits, shirts and trousers for myself. I was really looking forward to visiting Bankok and their tailors. Can anyone suggest a good tailor online to me.
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written by Theo, Sat 29 Nov 2008 07:24:37 CST
Now bullet proof suits are in fashion in Thailand. Try an armystore
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written by G.Armani Collection, Sat 29 Nov 2008 18:08:33 CST
Hello D2U,
Come to my shop I make for you good suits. If you not satisfy then you i returned your money 100%. try to come once time in my shop, my shop is very small in 8A Rambutri Village Inn, Soi Rambutri,Chakrapong Rd., Banglampoo, Bangkok 10200, Thailand, Email: This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
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written by theo, Sun 30 Nov 2008 19:20:31 CST
Armani is that your name? Collection? I suppose there isnt a connection with ARMANI? Or is there and do you sell
the origanal suites of Armani? No copy?
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written by Dan, Mon 01 Dec 2008 04:21:22 CST
I went to turkey quite a few years ago now but I was amazed how none vigelent people were and how easy it was to be coned one I went the sunday market in kusadasi a cruse ship was in and this armrican brout this cap for 35 dollars he ghee it was expensive he barter but then I brought one he tryed to rip me off I said I living in the resort and only charged about £3.00 for it I also brought a decent leather jacket from turkey with my mate who did the bartering for me becouse I am deaf and quite hard of hearing they quated a 170 pounds for the jacket which was full lenth male jacket really good quality but as soon as the assistant ask how much from his manager he did hear him correctly and my mate at the time said it was £70 to him and we gave him the travel cheques and left very quickly it was a great holiday and not too hot ether it was in 30s there when I went I went in the last two weeks of the season in october we were nice and warm all the turkish men said it was cold for them we said we were hot but it really was a nice time of year but on our last day there was a war with the kards in the north of turkey and all the turkish naval ships four of them blocked the port in kusadasi and we had a police escort to take us to the airport and were meant to be the first flight flight to leave but it turned outto be the very last of the season to be sent out that is 8hrs later with no rep to answer too but all in ala great holiday also I recoment to go with inderpenant holiday companys in turkey to see the sites u get a lot for your money and a lot of infomation camp the history on the sites from the turkish people themselves also they tell you legends of what there elders from their familys have said to wish is nice the holiday company I went with at the time try to charge us 36 pounds to go around empheris for the morning and have lunch and back to the hotels for the afternoon well we paid around 13 pounds each to go around emheris and in the morning we had a traditional turkish lunch and also we had had a look around rug making factory and also saw how peopel used or may still do live in turkish camping tents and also we looked around the blue moscue also I had a great day also the tour guide to told they respect the virgin mary and told us the story of the story of the nan that used to live in a hut near empheris and she saw sighting and visions of the virgin mary and when she died she turned it into a chapel decated to our virgin mary he said muslems in the winter also worship the vigin mary in the winter especially they she is a pure loving lady and she is reconised in the koran which I did know at the time so what I am saying is dont go with major holiday companys they will charge alot more than locial ones and you dont get as much info thatn if you go with the local companys also we had a chowsfer driven car if we could not be droped out our hotel as well also we did a deal with them for a bulk of trips so it turned out cheaper in the end also a tip go on one trip with a local company first also try and get info from tourists that are using already try a must. Thailand is a poor country that has no social wellfare system why dont people look people look them up before they travel and get recomendation from people on the net also just stay with a limit in your head that is a reasonable level and dont go over the budget that you have in mind we must have saved at least 30 to pound per person per trip we went on I came back to the uk with at least 300 pounds because we stuck to our limits also be vigelent who you give to in the streets also I went past a man who pretend to be a serverely disabld man with tried to give the impression he was totaly imcommpasitated but he wasnt he was double jointed and as I went past him I heard terible clicking which went though me and as I turned round he got as you or I would I know it sounds awful I dont give to people on the streets because it might help them get drugs or alcalhol and not a drink or food that they need I buy the big issue or give to salvation army then I know they will get what they need Dan
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written by Theo, Mon 01 Dec 2008 05:56:44 CST
Nice story, allthough I have to admit I stopped reading it half way. I see in the last sentence you talk about the salvation army. Good! When I ever go back to Bangkok I will try to find it.
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written by Helena, Mon 01 Dec 2008 08:18:03 CST
Do not go to Voglee's Tailor Shop! We were not even interested in a Tailored suit and the Tuktuk driver lied and told us he was taking us to a market that was six stories high! They will try to badger you into buying god awful overpriced suits. It was hard to get out of the situation and they yelled at us as we left the premises. Don't do it!
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written by Speak the truth, Tue 02 Dec 2008 21:06:11 CST
Nepalese from Berma are not trust worthy and are not honest with few exceptional.
You know shit. We never ask people to take money from us and what we own is from our honest earning.
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written by Mr Sam, Fri 05 Dec 2008 01:13:23 CST
Well after reading so many scams maybe i can help and suggest anyone who needs help to buy clothes from tailor shop.Well im not gonna advertise myself since im opening a new tailor shop on khaosarn road but before u enter a tailor shop look at how they decorate he window, the window itself will show u how good the shop is, secondly while askin for details about clothes material, u should take ur time and be detailed abt anything u ask for to be sure abt anything u buy.U will be given a fitting and if u want, ask for a second fitting to be more sure.Im not tryin to teach or burn anybody,s feelings by explaining but there r many tailor shops, its the customers who decides who is good or bad.A tailor shop should comply with Honesty, Service, and Complimentary well thats my policy well if u r honest to the customers then ur service is surelly satisfactory and thenu get good compliments.Well if anybody wanna ask anything can let me know.
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written by thomas, Fri 05 Dec 2008 18:58:59 CST
well well i think i made suits from the best tailor in bangkok in soi rambutri .The shops name is The Boss Tailor at rambutri,and the management is done by Roger.The work and service is quite satisfactory as me and my friend made abt 4anybody suits each.He is very honest and very particular abt the suit fittings as he never delays abt anything.I got my suits ready and was delivered at the hotel where he waited for me for sometime as he wanted me to try the suit once again.No tailor shops would wait they would just deliver and go home.Anybody who visits bangkok should go meet Roger and get ur clothes there.
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written by nick bartlett england, Fri 05 Dec 2008 19:31:03 CST
well after traveling all around thailand and heard about so many scaming place's found a very helpfull tailor called the boss tailors at rambutri the staff and management by Roger. They where not pushy as have found by other tailor's very happy with the job done will buy from again.
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written by adam reed london, Fri 05 Dec 2008 19:37:22 CST
I have been backpacking all a cross thailand and as came to the end of my trip in bangkok i found a very good tailor called fashion spot at sawasdee khaosan inn they have done a amazing job very happy with the out come it finished of my trip with a Bang
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written by ROGER EMBASSY SUIT GALLERY, Mon 08 Dec 2008 16:01:12 CST
THERE IS ONLY ONE ROGER WHO IS A BRITISH GUY AT EMBASSY SUIT GALLERY ANY OTHER STORE WHO SAY THEY HAVE CONNECTION WITH OUR STORE PLEASE CALL FIRST TO CHECK IT OUT 02-251-2620 OR CALL MY MOBILE ROGER 081-829-2006 WITH OUR SUITS ETC. IF YOUR NOT HAPPY THEN WE ARE NOT HAPPY WE GUARANTEE 100%FULL REFUND ON CUSTOMER SATISFACTION UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE WE HAVE A PROMOTION 1 FREE SHIRT OF YOUR STYLE ON YOUR FIRST VISIT TO OUR STORE :WHY: DUE TO THE POLITICAL SITUATION HERE BUSINESS IS 50% DOWN PLEASE DROP BY SAWADEE WELCOME TO BANGKOK
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written by theo, Tue 09 Dec 2008 00:19:00 CST
You sell shoes too? Mr Chamlong might need a pair of new shoes! He, so is, reported, walkes on shoes made of used car tires! As he is one of the guys that caused your selling problem, hes in debt with you. Besides in his new right wing position he has to wear decent clothes! Not yellow shirts!
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written by James, Tue 09 Dec 2008 07:07:33 CST
I'm another that has fallen to the Nakornsawan scam. Very annoyed obviously, but I have to take my hat off to the ellaborate nature of it all - I thought I was pretty streetwise, but these guys had me convinced. The thing is that this only happened a couple of days ago, and I'm due to pick up at my hotel when I go back to Bangkok in a week, which will give me time to go pay them a visit. I was just wondering if anyone had done this - i.e. talk to them physically rather than by email/phone? I'm not expecting much, but if I visit their store I can make quite a bit of trouble for them with whoever else is there. Perhaps this will get me into trouble though...! Any advice...? Thanks.
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written by sammie, Wed 10 Dec 2008 12:30:28 CST
James, good luck. Yes entering the shop and sitting quietly making your disatisfaction known MAY lead to a better result than screaming down the phone. If you have paid by credit card, then you might be able to claw your money back from them. Unfortunately there are thousadns and thousands of Indian tailors trying to make a fast buck at the expense of foreigners and unfortunately they dont have the foresight to realise that the net does exist to warn people. Personally unless I know the tailor I dont give them my business, I prefer Singapore for tailoring myself , maybe costs a bit more but your guaranteed of getting a good end result!
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written by James, Thu 11 Dec 2008 17:04:50 CST
I was actually thinking of standing noisily - putting off potential customers until they understand that giving me a refund will be better for them compared to hours of lost business. But I don't know how they'll react to this. I don't suppose the police or tourist authority would be interested? Probably wishful thinking...
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written by sammie, Thu 11 Dec 2008 17:29:34 CST
James, just a thought, yes its disappointing finding out you have been swindled/conned/scammed whatever you care to name it. I am so opposed to shouting and screaming, you loose the energy, you loose face and in the long run you dont get very far.
I have had some tailoring disasters over the years, and with most things in this world you get what you pay for hence the tacky tailors will produce tacky gear. Before going to see the big boss, I would print this web site off for the boss, to let him realise how small the tailoring world in Bangkok is becoming and by advertising is poor wares on the net in the future might harm his business. Try and do this in a calm collected way and you never know your luck. Good luck mate!
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written by Ron Howard, Sat 13 Dec 2008 16:11:52 CST
I have wasted hundreds of dollars on suits that I’ve taken no pleasure in wearing. They have unprofessional bunching at the shoulders. For instance, If i like a 2 button Single Breasted with a higher or lower button stance, 2 side vents, and flat front pants I might end up shopping for hours and still not find the exact style in the color, size and the budget that you have in my mind! Also, I can never adjust or change a cut of garment.

With so many tailor shops in Bangkok, choosing the right one can be a daunting task. Your search can be further confounded by touts and taxi drivers who sweet-talk unsuspecting victims to go to shops that cannot deliver what they promise. I was at Bangkok recently and had the opportunity to go and visit one of the recommended shop by my fellow colleague.
My friends highly recommended Excelsior to me and I am never shopping elsewhere ever again for suits. These people are professional and its 100 times much better than getting off the rack suits with the price relatively lower.
Located amidst the crowded patpong street(the infamous night shopping paradise).If you are there for shopping then it is best to call them for a pickup because it is hard to find them.
Avoid
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written by mike, Thu 25 Dec 2008 19:22:56 CST
I had too been to james fashion where the tuk tuk took me in and i was badly ripped off.They wasted my entire holidays and i asked for my refund back in which their didn't give. i wasted my money and my time and didn't wear the clothes at all. Later on after a long long research i found about savilerow fashion which was much smaller in size but definitely you pay for what you get.
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written by Denis hampton, Fri 09 Jan 2009 19:24:44 CST
Been to Thailand couple of time and also have been staying in Khaosan Road. I have been using Sunny Fashion for a long time and their suits and dresses and perfectly made and very polite staff. I would highly recommend them.
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written by sammie, Fri 09 Jan 2009 23:09:14 CST
Denis, pleased you found this suitable... unfortunately in sites like this one never knows who is genuine or noteg spamming for business... You were lucky to find someone in Khaosan road because as many ex pats know, this road is for scams towards tourists and I for one would never recommend anyone to use anyone down this road... One very asute blogger put it so well.... if you are getting many garments made for such a low price and in 24/36 hrs there is something wrong, you need to go for many fittings and alterations , samples shown at the time of purchase 9/10 are not what you are paying for. I have found a couple of excellent tailors attached to mega hotels, and investigated thoroughly before placing orders, its the luck of the drawer I guess, but i stopped wasting money, time, energy, anger and now get most things down in the west or Singapore.
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written by winston, Tue 20 Jan 2009 06:18:47 CST
In March 2009 I will make my 6th trip to the LOS. I did my homework prior to my first trip back in 2005. I have always stayed at Royal Hotel as I like the openess (if there is any in BKK) of the area. My trusted tailor is on Khao San Road. However, this time I am staying in the Sukhumvit area and have no trusted tailor. Can someone advise. Beware of scamming me as I will check all referalls and will not accept apparent shops. Top comment appears on the mark.
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written by pighoglet, Tue 20 Jan 2009 08:42:38 CST
Theres a place soi 11/1 sukhumvit I have used in the past think the shops name from memory is Bobby Raja's but the label in the clothes in Roberto Regio. Impressed by the lack of bull**** from the sales staff and were between us able to sort out any differences in the finished product between fittings.

Not by any means the cheapest but what Ive bought there has been good quality and has worn well.

Would appreciate if others who have used this shop would comment to say if I was lucky or my experience is consistent with other customers as Im only going on past personal experience.
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written by Sammie, Tue 20 Jan 2009 12:34:38 CST
Winston, why not hop on a bus or a meter taxi and go back to your "trusted tailor", at least they will welcome you back, you know what you are getting and unlikely to get scammed.
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written by A surprisingly affordable service with superior workmanship, Sun 01 Feb 2009 19:33:37 CST
I've been refining my wardrobe through Tailor Pro inside Somerset lake point hotel,Sukhumvit soi 16 now for over two years. The quality is always exceptional. They provide a wide variety of fabrics, styles, and alterations guaranteed to satisfy the personal taste of the most discriminating customer. Their prices for clothing, custom tailored to your specifications, are less than what one might expect to pay for your average ill-fitting off-the-rack items. Highly recommended!

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written by sammie, Sun 01 Feb 2009 21:45:18 CST
surprisingly affordable service with superior workmanship..... a nice tip.... To be honest I am so cynical now having lived in this wonderful country for many years I dont know who is spamming for business. It would be dreadful if this was another scam..... delighted you have found a trusted tailor, each to their own, but they way tailors change names, tailors etc... (see jewellery scams) I would hesitate to recommend anyone even more so part with my credit card details..... as Theo a regular blogger here says he prefers to obtain his suit at home, my husband is the same, i.e. Australia or when in London Savoy Tailor's Guild, you pay a little more but you know what your getting, unless its somewhere like Singapore or Hong Kong where the workmanship and quality was excellent.
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written by Dave, Mon 09 Feb 2009 01:57:50 CST
I was in Bangkok last summer and also got stuck in the whole run around as well, met a nice "laywer" from Phuket who was in Bangkok because of the great Voglee suit sale and it was only open to the public this one weekend, etc. A tuk tuk was hailed (at the local rate) and one of our stops was to be Voglee. For less than a US Dollar we were taken to a few wat's and shown some sites and then taken to Voglee. I was a little skeptical of the whole process but couldn't complain about the price for a custom made suit and shirts when a suit in the US costs me typically $800. I ordered some items and agreed to return the next day for a fitting. Then of course our tuk tuk driver made me stop in a TAT to get his gas card. Well, at that point I had enough of that and left the tuk tuk driver. After returning the next day to Voglee the pants and shirt were already completed and the jacket was almost done. I returned the following day for a final fitting and everything fit well. The items were shipped back to the States in less than a week and were inspected by family while we finished our SE Asia trip. After returning home, I dry cleaned the suit and it has worked out great for me since. I was a little skeptical of the whole affair but it worked out. You just need to be really firm about what you want to not willing to compromise with them. The one downside was that as part of the deal I was promised that a swatch book would be mailed to me and using my "Voglee member card" which I still have, I could order any suits in the future at a discounted price as my measurements would be on file. I never received a swatch book and I am hesitant to order another suit for fear that the measurements won't be on file and because I will not be able to inspect the fittings as I did when I was there. After reading many of the comments on here I would probably advice on not going through the process.
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written by Manix, Mon 09 Feb 2009 06:37:34 CST

Tha fabric is not what they claim, the suits are sewed together in a slum sweatshop for 200baht.
The MOST a tailor has invested in that suit is 1,300 baht.

99% of them are scammers.





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written by damien ward, Thu 12 Feb 2009 14:58:41 CST
ya got caught wi same scam on my way to collect them in two days time so its all ahead of me.. wish me the best
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written by Rodrick, Fri 13 Feb 2009 23:47:43 CST
Dave, even if you receive the swatch book tomorrow, do NOT order any garments by post. I repeat do not...


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written by ko jay, Sat 14 Mar 2009 02:30:13 CDT
hello ko jay how r u?
u forget me i am hlathein u do?
i remember ko jay
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hello how r u ko jay?
i am hlathein live in myitkyina
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written by Mark O'Grady, Mon 16 Mar 2009 05:34:28 CDT
I used Manhattan Tailors and they were great - I had 5 suits made up there about 3 years ago. They key is not to pay until the end when everything is just right - an initial 10% deposit will suffice.

Also drive a hard bargain, that's part of the process. Although the exchange rate was better then, I had 5 cuits, each with an extra set of trousers, about 10 shirts, some ties, two other pairs of trousers, one wool/cashmere overcoat. Total price c.£800.

I would recommend them as they seemed very professional - don't take any excuses though if the stuff doesn't fit when you go for the second/third/fourth fittings or however many you require.
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written by Chuck, Mon 16 Mar 2009 08:48:37 CDT
Nice profit for Manhattan.
60,000 baht for 10,000 worth of clothing.
Bangkok Tailors are scammers.

Remember, A suit made in Bangkok costs the Tailor 1,300 Baht, total.
Now you know.


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written by eddie, Mon 16 Mar 2009 15:22:09 CDT
why would I want to spend 60,000 B on (questionable cloth) in a third world country. I am very particular about my tailoring, and to be honest the tailors have to style or class, why would i have to fight for what I am paying for, why would i want third/four/fifth fittings. For this amount in the UK I can have a great suit made, also I wouldnt be happy with their so called wool and cashmere coats, give me a crombie in a sale at £400 ish and you have a coat for life!
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written by kta, Fri 20 Mar 2009 21:20:30 CDT
I too fell victim for the "Voglee Scam". It started with me looking at a map not far from the National Gallery. A "friendly" local passes by and ask if he can help me find what I'm looking for. I tell him I'm going to visit the National Gallery, to which he replies that it's closed until 1 pm because the monks are praying on account of some religious thing.

He then suggests during the mean time I check out a number of other sights to visit. As luck would have it, this is a special week when a lot of temples and museums have no entrance fee and tuk-tuks only charge 20 baths for 4 visits. Supposedly the government sponsors the week as a way to promote Thailand to tourists because of the weak global economy. Only tuk-tuks with yellow plates are in on the promotion. Not only that, but a very good tailor is in on the promotion too, and I should check out what suits they have. The tailor usually doesn't deal with normal customers, only club members but since Thailand is known for its quality dresses they let normal customers in too and give a 30 percent discount.

He proceeds to jolt down some suggestions on my map, and hails a tuk-tuk and explains to the driver what sites I want to visit. The tuk-tuk driver then proceeds to take me to a site with a buddha figure, I snap a couple of photos and then we proceed to the next one. At this "buddha shrine" there is another man praying, and when he is finished he explains that it's OK to take photos, go a head. When I'm done snapping, he asks me how much the tuk-tuk driver charged me. "20 bath" I tell him, to which he explains that he was just checking if the tuk-tuk driver was trying to rip me off, since because of the promotion it should only be 20 bath.

He then introduces himself as a teacher working at the local school, and repeats the same bullshit promotion story as the first man, and when he sees my map with "Voglee" marked on it, he mentions how good a tailor it is, and that they export suits to fashion houses in Europe.

At Voglee's shop, I'm greeted by a smooth-talking Indian looking guy who shows me the suit catalog and different fabrics and discuss various aspects of tailoring.

We agree on 2 suits, 2 extra pants, five shirts and a coat for about 40 000 bath. Now, that is quite a lot of money, but it didn't seem like too much for high quality and not too cheap to be crap.

Later when I came back to the hotel, I googled "voglee" and realized it was a scam.

I'm feeling extremely stupid.

I called the tourist police, and they said to go back to the shop and ask for a refund, but the guy just smiled at me when I was there and said "no refund".

I called the tourist police a second time, and they explained that they will try to help me and that I probably could get some of the money back. Tomorrow I'm going down to their office and see what they can do.

Are the tourist police in on the scam?

Can the Tourist Authority of Thailand (TAT) help me at all?
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written by Mikey, Fri 20 Mar 2009 23:36:06 CDT
kta:

if you press the issue, you mite get back a percentage of your money.

( much like the gem scams)

they split the kept percentage among all those that "assist" you in getting the refund
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written by kta, Fri 20 Mar 2009 23:48:37 CDT
Mikey:

Thanks for the reponse. Do you know how large percentage? roughly?
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written by Mikey, Sat 21 Mar 2009 01:20:51 CDT
kta:

no idea on the taylors dealings, but seems the gem scammers ( when pressed) give about 80% back.

good deal for them ( and taylors too) nothing actually lost by them, and make money on the deal to divvy up as they see fit. ( with the persons in on the scams)
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written by Eddie, Sat 21 Mar 2009 11:02:33 CDT
scratches head, wondering whether if good old Mr S. from the government offices that deals with the gem scams also deal with tailor scams
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written by pighoglet, Sat 21 Mar 2009 20:37:22 CDT
Mr S could quite reasonably offer his services as an independant non corrupt business getting back at least some of the money scammed for a fee. Need evidence either way on this please?

If the dealings were taking place in a western court then at least the claimant could get his legal expenses back on top of any money scammed, however these cases are difficult to deal with because of the semi legal nature of these tailors and jewellers which often are front companies for organised crime.

If the amount lost was large ie gemstones and jewellery then try with Mr S and his ilk and pursue recompense getting a break down of potential costs first, if its a matter of a couple of suits it may be cheaper to kick the wall a few times, swear and put it down to experience because the costs will outweigh any monies returned.
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written by Mikey, Sat 21 Mar 2009 23:08:02 CDT
mr.s is doing the "sacamees" a favor, just like the guy that tells you he can direct you to a good deal , just that mr.s has a nice suit, and a "title"
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written by Theo, Sat 21 Mar 2009 23:49:03 CDT
Maybe Mr S should go in politics. At least one person who is not corrupt. (I hope)
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written by Somchai, Sun 22 Mar 2009 13:21:05 CDT
Kta Did you really believe all that crap? Cannot believe somebody believe that B S. Dont believe story!
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written by Khun Issan, Sun 22 Mar 2009 14:18:27 CDT
Having said that about somchai's english, I now know he is a farang!, a troll, a wind up merchant lol
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written by kta, Sun 22 Mar 2009 15:28:35 CDT
Somchai:
Yes, I'm a gullible fool. I actually thought that the Thai gov. had a campaign on account of the weak global economy, and that I did a good thing by participating. I'm a good guy :)

Anyway - the thing that made me careless was that I was looking for a tailor that day. The plan was to visit the National Museum first, then head to Sukhumvit Road to find a good tailor (I had a couple of leads). Moreover, a couple of days before I got the tourists diarrhea and was pretty weak and exhausted and didn't really wanna leave the hotel, but I had decided to find a tailor that day.

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written by kta, Sun 22 Mar 2009 16:19:41 CDT
Voglee Scam - Epilogue:
I met with the Tourist Police yesterday, and when I explained what happened they were very blase about the whole thing and explained that there was very little they could do. They didn't really see the scam as a scam - more like creative marketing or special advertising. Furthermore they felt that no crime had been committed and that I should at least wait until I receive my goods before I complain.

They had between zero and very little understanding for that being a victim for a scam and being lied to is not acceptable business practice. When I explained that I had read about others who have been scammed by Voglee on the Internet they smiled and recommended me to pay no attention to what people write on the internet because anybody can write any lies there... :)

Having said that, they did call the manager of the store and managed to get a 25% discount (that, hopefully, will be sent to my VISA account) and they said that they will call a couple of more times to the store to check how things are going, and that if I wasn't satisfied with the goods that I should return and they will make a formal report of the incident.

Yesterday I was at the first fitting, and to my surprise the fit was quite good. Not perfect though: the trousers were a little too wide, and the shirt had ever so light "ribs". The tailor/salesman couldn't see the "ribs" and tried to convince me that the width was ok - that a narrower width will put a strain on my hips. Whatever. If the rest of the goods have as good fit as the shirt and trousers I'm declaring myself happy with the fit.

BUT, it might be possible they use two tailors: the experienced one that does the initial cut and sewing of the trouser and shirt, and then dirt-cheap, bad to mediocre ones that does the rest. I tried to inspect the handicraft, and I could not see any obvious errors or faults. Only time will tell the quality of the workmanship.

I have no experience with textile, so I cannot say what quality it is but I'm guessing polyester blends because I never heard about scammers using high quality textiles. When I mentioned this to the Tourist Police - that I suspect the quality of the textiles will not be what they said it would be - I was told that I had the opportunity to feel the materials before agreeing to buy the suits. That I had no experience with textiles and cannot differentiate between polyester and wool didn't matter - it was an opportunity to learn...

Things learned the hard way:
* When doing business with Thai - ethic and honesty does not count at all. Feel free to lie and scam as much as you can get away with.

* The Tourist Police is not there to reap justice or to make sure that the law is followed. They are there to ease the friction between Westerners and Thai. They make sure you feel a little less screwed.

The best thing that I can hope for now is good fit, good workmanship and polyester blend at a too high price. Not really happy about it, but there is probably nothing more I can do.

At last - a big thanks to the Tourist Police for helping me getting a discount. Hopefully their calls also will have an effect on quality.
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written by Theo, Sun 22 Mar 2009 20:00:55 CDT
Far to expensive, kta, for 40000 baht I can buy two genuine Hugo Boss suites in Amsterdam. In London even cheaper. No copys. You will never enjoy wearing them. Everytime you will remember the scam. Everytime wearing you will have to explain to people what happened. They might just end up unused in a cupboard. Or being used for gardenwork and carreppairs. Good luck!
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written by pighoglet, Mon 23 Mar 2009 00:17:10 CDT
Polyester blend.............nice...............back to the 70s!
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written by Khun Issan, Mon 23 Mar 2009 03:29:46 CDT
well polyester is well known for its "drip dry" qualities, my husband has his suits made in Singapore, Amsterdam or London, and he looks a million dollars, unfortunately the suits do need dry cleaning though lol. Seriously I hope the end result is what you are looking for, and google places like the Savoy Tailors Guild in the Strand to see what they are charging you for a good suit. Yes the Thais will bring out swatches of cashmere and the finished article is NOT cashmere, its like buying a pashmena scarf for a few bucks, genuine pashmina is around $300A. and can be passed through a ring as a test of authenticity.
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written by Theo, Mon 23 Mar 2009 08:29:49 CDT
What always wonders me reading all this is that people always look on the internet AFTER they bought some. If you want to buy something expensive NEVER go over one nights ice. Ask prices elswhere check prices on internet. I think thats common sense. I am sorry to say that some of these complainers have to blame themselves as well. Its only money anyway. Your still in good health. See this as a lesson. It probably will never happen to you again.
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written by Theo, Mon 23 Mar 2009 08:57:04 CDT
The basic trick those sailsmen or call them scammers use is that they dont stop talking. They keep your attention occupied so that you dont have time to think. Then you start thinking after you left the shop. Too late. Always leave a shop when they try to talk your brain unconsious before its too late. In a good shop the will give you time to think things over
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written by Theo, Mon 23 Mar 2009 09:28:07 CDT
Salesmen! Any volunteer who wants to teach me english?
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written by Theo, Mon 23 Mar 2009 10:01:29 CDT
40000 baht. As these plastic or nylon suits are essentially made out of oil, prices should have dropped because oil is rather cheap these days
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written by Sammie, Mon 23 Mar 2009 13:50:48 CDT
I quite like the new word "sailsman" made me smile Theo
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written by pighoglet, Mon 23 Mar 2009 19:06:50 CDT
Just as long as the sails arent made out of polyester the ship should float!
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written by Theo, Mon 23 Mar 2009 19:25:01 CDT
Afortunatly mr KTA bought a couple of suits, not a sailingboat. He would have ended on the bottom of the sea.
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written by Mikey, Mon 23 Mar 2009 23:37:19 CDT
KTA

"polyester blends "

"polyester blends "


be very careul around and open flame or dropped tobacco ash. it mite be a case of
"poof" and sever burns.

there is no consumer protection for flamable clothing in most of s.e. asia.

( and also, no help for dangerous dies used that touch your skin)
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written by Theo, Tue 24 Mar 2009 00:11:09 CDT
I am afraid it might be to late already Mikey. mr KTA doesnt answere anymore. Maybe he just lighted his last sigaret
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written by Theo, Tue 24 Mar 2009 00:21:29 CDT
Of course, with a little bit of good will it can be presented to the international press as an anti scam suicide protest act. Like the monks in Vietnam during the war. Especially if he just by coincidence lighted his last cigaret in front of the National Palace.
Maybe then at last something will be done!
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written by pighoglet, Tue 24 Mar 2009 01:24:20 CDT
Yes, polyester would then be in the news again and become fashionable amongst the hi so types retro chic baby!
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written by Sammie, Tue 24 Mar 2009 01:41:55 CDT
Staypress trousers and jeans are all "la Vogue" now made of polyester and guaranteed after washing you have creases down your pants, any godrecommendations of tailors are welcome. Mr Farang Somchai any takers please lol!?
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written by Theo, Tue 24 Mar 2009 08:08:36 CDT
Well KTA must have received his suites by now. I hope we were wrong. May be he wants to say something about it. I am curious
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written by Sammie, Tue 24 Mar 2009 13:42:08 CDT
Maybe he is busy modelling them for Mr S to enable him to get his 80% back
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written by Sammie, Tue 24 Mar 2009 14:33:33 CDT
นาย Sunchai คุณเป็นคนที่โง่เง่ ามากรวมไปกังวลและค นอื่นๆคุณจะได้รับกา รรวมปลอมและรอกรรมข องคุณจะมาหาและกดแป ้นคุณในหน้า hahaha
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written by kta, Tue 24 Mar 2009 19:57:27 CDT
Voglee Scam - update:
Sorry for not responding earlier, but I've been traveling the last couple of days.

At the second fitting all suits, pants and shirts were done. The fit was good - no complaints there. Back at the hotel I examined the goods more thoroughly, and here are my findings:

Disclaimer: I know nothing about tailoring (obviously), so my points might be without merit. Furthermore, I assume that a very good tailor can make almost perfect seams all the time.

When examining the shirts, the only thing I found perfect was the pockets - I assume they are sewn by machine. Around neck and cuffs the seams are not always parallel and sometimes stray off a little bit. Also, at the end of all seams they had left a piece of thread (why not just cut it off? It looks so much better). All the shirts had the same level of workmanship, so probably it is the same tailor, or tailors with similar experience, who made all the shirts. I realize that collar and cuffs are difficult, but I've seen shirts with perfect seams so I know it's possible. It still looks good - you can't really see the bad seams unless you're looking for them.

The overcoat, suits and pants were difficult to examine because of the inner lining, but same story with threads at end of seam.

Score:
Fit: Very Good
Quality of Work: Medium
Quality of Garments: Unknown
Bang for bucks: Between Crap and Bad depending on Garments.

Feels like I paid for a Ferrari Testarossa, but got a Fiat Punto...

Anyway, If I were to find myself in Bangkok again sometime in the future - how do I find a good tailor? Obviously I can't ask _anyone_ in Thailand. There must be some kind of international/european association of tailors that know the excellent tailors in Bangkok. Any leads?


Cheers!
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written by kta, Tue 24 Mar 2009 19:58:35 CDT
Theo:
"gardenwork and carreppairs."

Hmm, I am going to repaint the house during the summer...
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written by Theo, Wed 25 Mar 2009 00:17:26 CDT
Dont burn off the old paint. You might burn to ashes. I am glad you dont take it too serious. Most people are so full of hatred after being scammed. Not only because of the money. Maybe even more because their ego is damaged. They always thought themselfs being so clever. Then its hard to find out one is not.
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written by kta, Wed 25 Mar 2009 00:25:36 CDT
Theo:
Yes, being scammed sucks big time. Not so much because of my ego (it's been bruised far worse in the past), but because during my trip I met so many wonderful and helpful Thai-people. After this incident (and other similar stuff) I won't look at Thai-people the same way. I will always be thinking that I'm probably talking with someone dishonest with ulterior motives who wants to separate me from my money.

That's a shame.
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written by Somchai, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:10:43 CDT
Some good some bad. Same everywhere. Thailand isnt Shangri-la. Alot of tourists get misleaded by tempting smiles and smooth manners and think they discovered a better world. paradise doesnt exist.
Most people will be scammed one or more times in their live. I rember, many years ago,. buying a new lence for my camara in singapore. (the old one had fallen on concreet) I payed far too much. The guy kept on talking so I only started thinking when I was on the street again I didnt border to go back.
Was angry with myself more than with the shopowner. Why didnt I check other shops before buying?
Learned my lesson. Didnt happen again.
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written by Theo, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:13:25 CDT
By the way I admit having written some of this Somchai things But only three Got inspired by somone else I dont know who wrote the others. I was naughty
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written by Sammie, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:23:53 CDT
I like a naughty man who can make me smile so Mr Theo Somchai thank you for that!
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written by Theo, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:27:55 CDT
Anyway you have to blame yourself. Get angry with yourself. I scammed you guys mentally. You should have recognised me right away! Same bad english! Or maybe Somchais english was a little bit better than mine. ha ha ha ha But the other Mr Somchai might be a real authentic original Thai
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written by Sammie, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:35:19 CDT
kta... yes you got scammed (ish) you were expecting something good for the money, yes bruised ego, but you sound an honest man and you have integrity, the scammers havent, who is the winner you are! who are the loosers, the innocent tailors. Indicentally yes many of the thais are back street tailors etc with indians as front men. I know a lovely lovely Nepalese in Phuket who has several shops, you couldnt wish for a nicer person but they cannot make clothes, each time (and I was persistant) I kept going back, ordered silk blouses, stepped out to dinner every button fell off, and before anyone unkind person says a word I am a size 8, no it was poor workmanship, greed, shoddy!the material wasnt what I originally ordered, he blames the thais, the thais blame him, whoever is to blame, doesnt matter because they have no long term vision. I am sure that Mr T. Somchai has some remark to make lol
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written by Theo, Wed 25 Mar 2009 01:54:28 CDT
Sammie dont think I cannot read Thai! You copied it from a restaurant menu card. Translation:
Estimated Thai customer: Dont order this dish! It is only ment for those farang pigs!
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written by Sammie, Wed 25 Mar 2009 03:12:56 CDT
not an exact trasnlation Mr Theo Somchai, I recognised you (slightly) from the spelling mistakes lol. I am laughing so much here. I will miss Mr Somchai very much, I was about to ask for his hand in marriage ps ment = meant lol lol
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written by Somchai, Wed 25 Mar 2009 10:01:00 CDT
He didnt disappear. There is another. I only wrote the last ones. I am not joking. Maybe he is Thai. He started this, not me
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written by Sammie, Wed 25 Mar 2009 14:15:35 CDT
Mr Somchai is probably Mr Thaksin writing in from HK where is is on a very extended holiday!
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written by Theo, Wed 25 Mar 2009 20:55:09 CDT
Mr Tarksin is one of the few Thais having problemes to get into their country. Most Thais find it difficult to get out. These poor women have the marry a big fat hairless old farang to get out of Thailand. Maybe he can go to Cambodia and set up the country there. Thailand would like that. Just another reason to sent their soldiers across the Cambodian border.
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written by Mikey, Wed 25 Mar 2009 22:25:26 CDT
As far as being scammed ( and hurting your ego) from the thai side, face is gained putting one over on the farang.

they sit around in "coffee shops" after work bragging about it.

being a " farang" has it merits if you understand a bit of thai, but dont speak it much.

you can hear all kinds of "inside info"
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written by Eddie, Thu 26 Mar 2009 02:10:16 CDT
Mikey you are correct, I laugh when posters try and defend the thais. There are too many horrible happenings here to defend them. Yes Ok country to visit, but it used to be better! The Old Thais were decent, but unfortunately a nation of scam mongers have been bred. Ever see a thai child being fed at a table, No. they walk around the rom trying to feed a walking child. What the child wants they get, unfortunately they grow into spoilt arrogant adults who will do anything to "get what they want". Have you ever watched how beautiful a Thai girl can be, cross her and then see the true ugliness. My message to my kids here is keep your hands on your own money, keep away from the girls, and if you like asian women look for a lst world asian and not a third world asian, I could never be proud with a thai woman on my arm end of story!
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written by Eddie, Thu 26 Mar 2009 02:12:24 CDT
Stickman says it all!
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written by not ur business, Sat 28 Mar 2009 18:47:17 CDT
what the heck u want the tailors to do?Close the shops and stay hungry?If u are white ppl commenting on this page too much about indian alike tailors...i blame u all white ppl for invading our lands before,,am i stupid?u think?GM sells cars in which they have 60% profit,they could make car runned by solar power or H2o..why the heck the arabs so rich..u all white ppl are f...ked up ,,if they invaders were not u,it's ur father or g..father..Let us revenge..A german guy asked me 60 euros to dryclean his silver suit,which i sold only for 85 euros..U know what the fabric is....i said to that man...Do u think i am stupid,cas i am asian?Do u think u r smart becaz ur a GERMAN...fu..k off..I ain't got nothin to give ya..By the way he asked the money to dry clean the suit,caz there were several marks...It's a suit,,made in tailor(not a suit left in a cleaner's shop..BY the way i hate white ppl..most of them..If u think whites are smarter than colouered ppl...fuk it i say..I'll sell them somemore poly suits..yum yum
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written by franco, Sat 28 Mar 2009 19:00:01 CDT
seems like this guy has got beef with whites
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written by FOR DUMMYS, Sat 28 Mar 2009 19:18:16 CDT
this comment direct to chuck
what the hell(1300 baht)...is the cost of 1 suit u say...read carefully dummy
1 jacket (good quality making)1200 bht
1 pant (good quality making) 350 bht
Fabric..good quality 1 yard 250 baht(I know) 3.5 metres is needed for a suit
total cost......2,425
and electric bill 30000 per month,,,,2 employee salary......at least 20,000
shop rent at least...40,000 bht
so u want us to sell a suit for 1,300 bht....funnyyyyyyyy
Don't u make profit when u sell things..profit around the world range from 30 to 70%..if u are a white u guys do it too..not only us
Don't bullshit it with honesty..what is honesty?Are u honest?Huh?
Shold i say to customer "look sir,this is my cost",how much profit can u top on that for me"?I have never seen anyone trading that way..so look around man...don't be NARROW MINDED
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written by Sammie, Sun 29 Mar 2009 00:36:22 CDT
To the racist tailors: Step 1. Look at your market, your country is a tourist haven, get your big boss to send you to the west or Singapore to learn how to make clothes. Do an apprenticeship. Go to europe to look at the cloth, we just dont wear polyester or cashemere or wool fakes!
Step 2. Study designs, all your designs are out of some cruddy catalogue, I look a million dollars in a piece of cloth from the market that hasnt been tampered with by some fake tailor!
Step 3. Stop looking at every customer as a potential dummy!
Word of mouth goes a long way and let me tell you people are now aware of your disgusting practices. Before you go into business, Product, Cost, Profit Margin. Thailand is entering a big recession and also the airport might close again and tourists ARE staying away so you have time to rest your laurels and think about your illicit practices
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written by Sammie, Sun 29 Mar 2009 00:39:41 CDT
written by not ur business, Sat 28 Mar 2009 18:47:17 CDT
what the heck u want the tailors to do?Close the shops and stay hungry?If u are white ppl commenting on this page too much about indian alike tailors...i blame u all white ppl ........sure you blame white people, thats all your brainless head can do! Yes I want shops closed down and the people to go hungrey, you deserve it!. time you looked for local trade because your business with tourists is coming to an end lol lol
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written by Theo, Sun 29 Mar 2009 05:47:54 CDT
Seeing these Thai designs... Somehow I always start to remember those good old Humphry Bogart movies!
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written by Chuck, Sun 29 Mar 2009 06:28:03 CDT
1,200 for a seamstress in a slum to sew together a suit?
30,000 for electricity?
20,000 for 2 Nepalese employees?

Like I said earlier.
A Tailor in Thailand has no more than 1,300 invested in a suit.....
The question is.
Who wants to walk around in that cheap crap?





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written by Sammie, Sun 29 Mar 2009 15:28:15 CDT
I agree Theo and Chuck
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written by Some1, Sun 29 Mar 2009 18:03:12 CDT
20,000 Baht for 2 nepalese?is that what u claim?Go to silom and go up to the gems tower,..one of my dogs collect 35,000 ks...and he is a nepali,there are many like them..not all nepalese are dumb..there are some dummys....but there are proper educated ones collecting more money than u do CHUCK.....do not look down
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written by not your business, Sun 29 Mar 2009 18:49:07 CDT
If we don't close our shops,what will u do..go and advertise bad reputation about tailors in TH around europe,america,africa,everywhere....no matter what u do..we be here...let me tell u boy,if you think u r too smart,i can say i am as smart as you are,maybe more..Where are u from tho?How did white ppl get rich?Took control on other's land,take the natural resources,look at BELGIUM,FRANCE,GERMANY,all these ppl invest in rural countries and profit milllssss...The thing is that WHITE PPL THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN US.....In every actions,there is the same and the opposite reactions..All my customers are SATISFIED,there was a gentelman suggesting us to go singapore(is it a country),or to west to study tailoring,what do u know about us.DO u know who i am,wher i born,what i did,and what i am doing?Some ppl might do work although they don't know enough about it,All not like that..look at rajawonse tailor sukhumvit soi4,,none of the sikh guys sew clothes nor nothing,but they earn not less than 3 mills a month,contacts are needed,and if u can produce quality of shirts which meets international standard(europe is not the world neither singapore,they are part of the world),then u can be successful,i am sucessful,has been and will be,i always update myself for designs from any designer..so u dunno,things can be learnt without giving u a notice..
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written by FOR DUMMYS, Sun 29 Mar 2009 18:56:41 CDT
So,chuck u still want us to sell for 1,300,,dunno which fool told u that cost,might be some bullshit ugly tailor..go and research yourself,,go to some alleys in suk road(ask the tailors(stichers),how much they charge for what,,and go to sampheng,and bargain for some wool fabrics...burn that fabric if u doubt if it's not wool...then u'll know
If you still deny,then u are the most stupid(defending blind)man on earth..if u hate the tailors,,burn them all
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written by Johanna, Sun 29 Mar 2009 18:58:09 CDT
Who are brainless ppl sammie?may i know,never seen someone brainless
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written by Chuck, Sun 29 Mar 2009 19:17:45 CDT
A Bangkok suit is worth 2500 baht. Not more.
Now you know.

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written by Theo, Mon 30 Mar 2009 11:40:35 CDT
What kind of people buy these suits anyway. Not business people. Usely tourists who think they get a better deal then back home. I dont think many business men working in Bangkok buy them. May be some farangs getting into a scam marriage. But even those will be advised by their Thai girlfriends to get a suit in a shopping mall. A Hugo Boss or something like that
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written by Sammie, Mon 30 Mar 2009 13:36:59 CDT
Theo I am sure there are a few happy ending stories where people are happy with their tailoring, but not many, and I would personally after having lived here for many years would never recomend anyone to have their tailoring to be done here in Thailand. It is not cost and time effective and the end result is usually laughable.
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written by Theo, Mon 30 Mar 2009 16:46:34 CDT
There must be good tailors. Or do all prominent and middleclass Thai buy imported suits? Tarksin (when still in Thailand) had his suits made in England perhaps? Maybe he can do that. But the average office middle class men? They buy prefabricated suits in the shoppingmall?
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written by Mikey, Mon 30 Mar 2009 21:51:44 CDT
theo:

right on the mark

prefab and fitted suits for thais are easy to find in thailand. the farang "body" is a bit hard to fit and buy in say MBK right off the rack.


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written by Theo, Mon 30 Mar 2009 22:21:29 CDT
So the clients are usely not Thai people. Tall farangs. That explains everything. Client is expected to buy only once. (The average farang only goes once or twice to Thailand) So why not scam him? Same if your car gets broke along the main highway through France. (Being a dutch tourist) A lot of stories of people getting ripped off by repairshops. Because they never will be back anyway. Same with the tailors.
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written by Sammie, Tue 31 Mar 2009 00:39:31 CDT
brainless marketing tatics! anyway off topic slightly, Theo an interesting article and some nice photographs on Stickmans this week on Cambodia Siem Reap
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written by Theo, Tue 31 Mar 2009 03:21:23 CDT
Korpkhun krap
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written by Bart, Sun 19 Apr 2009 19:59:00 CDT
Hi All,

I just read the different experiences with buying suits in Thailand. Three years ago I bougt a suit with an extra trouser, 2 shirts and 2 ties for about 150 dollars at the voglee store at Prachatipatai road in bangkok . It was send home to me and it was honestly the most perfect suit I ever had. Did get much compliments. So I guess you have te be lucky.
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written by Theo, Sun 19 Apr 2009 20:48:50 CDT
I bought one too. At a cheap Thai tailor shop For my funeral in case one of these days I will be gunned down in Thailand. I have a lot of Hugo Boss suites. Expensive. A waist to get burried in a Hugo Boss. My son can wear them
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written by Elwyn, Fri 08 May 2009 07:17:15 CDT
22,000 B from Manhattan - 2 suit jackets, 4 pants, 8 shirts, 3 ties.
Shirts - great material, great fit, very good craftsmanship.
Pants -good material, great fit, good craftsmanship (messy in places but strong).
Suit jacket one - ok fit, ok material, craftsman shit ok-ish.
Suit jacket two - ok fit, better material, better craftsmanship.
Ties - Silk and are overall great (although they are ties, thats not hard).

The jackets were really the only thing that let them down... although they look great they might not last that long, however, since the material is good when the stitching goes I will just take them to a local tailor and it will be all good. So because of that I'm definitely happy with what I got, I'm very glad I got 8 shirts, during the fitting i got an idea what the quality of the shirts were going to be so thats why I decided to buy 6 more than I originally ordered. Take note of how much I paid - I didn't even barter very hard, I think if your willing to walk out of the store then you could get them lower than that. My advice, take note of how much I and the other paid, and go in there with the expectation not to go higher than that, also they have display suits showing the quality, let them know that the suits on display are the quality you expect.
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written by prince, Fri 15 May 2009 22:01:34 CDT
the best advice I can give is to go to a recommended tailor, dont ever fall for a tuktuk or a taxi scam and also sometimes the hotel staff who recommend tailors are getting commissions off your business, so think first and make your own decision. good luck, bye.
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written by Roy, Sat 16 May 2009 22:59:36 CDT
"I probably have to try to get scammed a little bit more. Maybe I will will buy a scam suite and tell you about my experiences. I need something relevant! "

@Theo, maybe you could talk about the benefits of gouda cheese and its 48% milk fat content, or better still, how about the forming of The Dutch Indian Company, and how they provided millions and millions of slaves with unpaid employment?
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written by Eddie, Sat 16 May 2009 23:13:02 CDT
Roy, I thought you were the one asking people to stop going off subject, now you are referring to cheese. Quote @ RoyWould Theo and pigholglet, refrain from using this site for their own agenda's, lets just keep to the original topics please? Time to stop drinking and adhere to your own rules matey pmsl
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written by Eddie, Sat 16 May 2009 23:27:43 CDT
Please Roy keep to the subject of tailoring scams instead of cheese in Holland, this holds no interest to us please. Polite request!
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written by Roy, Sun 17 May 2009 00:04:05 CDT
"Maybe I will buy a scam suite and tell you about my experiences. I need something relevant!"

@Eddie, did you not read Theo's comment, he's being bolshie and childish? I was wondering, are you related to Theo?


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written by Roy, Sun 17 May 2009 00:29:47 CDT
Theo, the whole object of this site is prevention, and you want to go and be scammed willingly?
Why not send the suit money you would've been scammed of to a charity in Suriname?
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written by Timmerman, Sun 17 May 2009 08:57:59 CDT
@Roy, I don't know why you bother?

Theo, Lengte zegt niets!
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written by Giles, Sun 17 May 2009 13:11:51 CDT
I see this forum is becoming ruined. Theo has contributed some very worthwhile observations , and I for one have enjoyed them along with Pighoglet as well. Theo hasnt spread misinformation Sara and for a newbie you appear hell bent on behaving like some granny about to retire from some borstal. Now put your money where your mouth is Sara and contribute or keep quiet!
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written by Theo, Sun 17 May 2009 14:09:23 CDT
Cheese ha ha Dont forget the wooden shoes! Whole forests have been distoyed to produce them. We used slaves in Suriname to make them! Wooden shoes are a disgrace for Holland. HA HA
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written by Sara, Sun 17 May 2009 14:18:30 CDT
Giles, wow, I'm so shocked, its obvious you must be a family member, have you read some of their comments? As for being a Granny, how so wrong you are, I'm 19 years of age and about to explore the world Mr Know Nothing!

By the way, whats a borstal have to do with a granny, your a weirdo?
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written by Giles, Sun 17 May 2009 14:30:35 CDT
Then sara behave like a 19 year old that knows nothing. You are tackling well travlled people, that have humour and decorum, so back in your play pen and look listen and learn child!
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written by Sara, Sun 17 May 2009 14:45:14 CDT
Giles, you are NOT my father thank goodness, don't tell me what I can and can't do you inbred. You seem so full of anger and bitterness, you need to relax and stop being so aggressive Mr Tough Guy?
You want me to "look and listen" some people on the forum have an agenda, its so evident Mr Tough Guy.
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written by The asian summit, Sun 17 May 2009 15:08:17 CDT
I have avidly read these forums but not written before and agree with Giles, the regulars have contributed some worth while and interesting reading, granted some off topic slightly but never the less, some excellent advice given by mature people that know what they are talking about. I think for the more intelligent and mature, one has to read between the lines to see the humour and tongue in cheek words and it does tend to lighten up what can be quite distressing scams in many ways. If you find that certain people annoy you, why not disregard them and give some worthwhile contributions to the site instead of slanging away like 2 year olds instead of pushing your toys out the pram, more annoying then Eddie, Theo or whoever. After all we are all animals and cant please everybody!
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written by Sammie, Sun 17 May 2009 15:36:46 CDT
Asian, I couldnt agree more and well said.
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written by Sammie, Sun 17 May 2009 16:15:37 CDT
Sara why have I been caught out? on what? I post here regularly whether you like my postings or not. I dont like agression in any form now please can we get on with our regular postings pleaseeeeeeeeeeee!! dear oh me, I dont like these childish outbursts
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written by Sara, Sun 17 May 2009 16:24:57 CDT
Sammie, caught out as in The asian summit is really Giles/Theo/pig thats all, why the aggression?
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written by Sara, Sun 17 May 2009 16:28:24 CDT
Sammie, I've read you're comments and you seem like an objective person, but some people have no morals and will stop at nothing to circulate disinformation?
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written by Sara, Sun 17 May 2009 16:32:34 CDT
Sammie, I noticed you said nothing to Giles for the abusive comment below, why?


" Sara and for a newbie you appear hell bent on behaving like some granny about to retire from some borstal. Now put your money where your mouth is Sara and contribute or keep quiet!"

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written by Sammie, Sun 17 May 2009 16:39:05 CDT
Well Sara, I guess as residents you learn to be objective, and one mans meat is another man's poison. We all cant think alike, if I disagree which sometimes I do, better to get your own point across and leave it to readers to make up their own minds. Seriously Sara, Theo and Pighoglet post under their own names. Pighoglet is apparently marrid to a Thai therefore his experiences are different to say mine being married to an Australian. Theo appears to travel alone and his experiences are another matter. One of my sons works for the airlines and thats an altogether different form of travel (cosseted! and usually 5* lol). Better off Sara to blog your experiences good or bad, makes people re think sometimes. For me about to be scammed I manage to laugh many times, hence giving the potential "scammer" a chance to back track and hopefully we have a mutual respect! "I know your scamming" and "I know you know I am scamming" lol Peace and enjoy wherever you are Sara x
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written by Sammie, Sun 17 May 2009 16:44:06 CDT
Apologies, I just noticed a question you asked me Sara, well I dont like to get into a confrontation with who said what or where. Are you enjoying your time in Thailand Sara?
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written by Theo, Sun 17 May 2009 20:46:40 CDT
About scams: I am wearing those cheap immitation Lee jeans bought in Bangkok shoppingmalls. But I keep scratching my legs. Some strange irritation. Even after washing them dozens of times. Something with the demin collar paint used may be?
Would it be dangerous? Read some worrying medical reports over skincancer caused by demin colours. The original Lees I buy here, but expensive, never caused the problem.
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written by Theo, Sun 17 May 2009 21:37:24 CDT
Some people, like our Sara, seem to think this is a Venetian ballparty of the ranaisance where we all were wearing masks. I am only wearing irritating inferior Thai jeans at the moment. I might give them to the beggars at central railwaystation. They all have bugs, so they are used to srcatching. I got scammed too by the way like most of us. In Singapore I needed a new camaralens and payed 200 Euros to much. I like the Chinese who scammed me. Clever guy. No hate feelings at all.
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written by Barry Byrne, Sun 17 May 2009 22:04:51 CDT
Theo, don't quiet understand you're post, what is a camaralen and a Venetian ballparty? Sounds kind of kinky?
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written by Barry Byrne, Sun 17 May 2009 22:15:03 CDT
I've been reading up on a fair few comments on this site, its been a joy and a laugh to read the banter between some of you's!

I'll be heading to Bangkok this coming Wednesday and would like to stay in the kha san rd area, anyone know of a scam-free hotel in that vicinity?

Question for Sammie, did that cheeky Sara lassie say she was in Thailand?
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written by Sammie, Mon 18 May 2009 00:15:49 CDT
Villa Cha Cha Hotel, BangkokLocation: Khaosan

Address: 36 Tani Road, Taladyod , Pranakorn, Bangkok, Thailand approx. £22.00 per night this is a three star hotel | 0.1 Km from Khao San Road, slightly more up market.

Close enough to the sights and sounds of the 'city of angels' yet far enough for sound sleep. Located near the backpacker haven of Khaosarn, the... thats more upmarket, just over a B1000 per night.
Guest house where I have stayed which was fine was http://www.khaosanroad.com/green_house/rooms.htm. thats where my kids stay sometimes.
May I suggest that with any guest house in KSR, you check for fire exits, locks on your doors etc. in these cases you find that if you are going to get robbed it will be by a farang . In days gone by I always carried a spare lock and key with me. No Barry lol sorry I dont know where Sara is, but hopefully someone is making her laugh. ! Ennjoy your holiday Barry
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written by Sammie, Mon 18 May 2009 14:41:01 CDT
http://www.wildorchidvilla.com/accommodation.html Barry, here is another guest house Khaosan Road, newly refurbished single rooms with fan around B200 upwards. Just by the temple so not too busy.
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written by Sammie, Mon 18 May 2009 15:08:36 CDT
@ Sara, there is a lovely open air museum and well worth a visit (not too many foreigners go either) called Murang Boran (Ancient City) you can google ithttp://thailand.sawadee.com/samutprakan/muangboran.htm it is absolutely stunning, a bit outside of BKK Start from the Bangkok
[ By Car or Taxi ]
Take the Express Way as far as the Samroang-Samut Prakan Exit. Turn to the Samut Prakan Intersection. Turn left along the old Sukhumvit Road (towards Bangpoo) until you get to km. 33. The Ancient City is on the left.

[ By Bus ]
Take air-conditioned bus No.11 (Pinklao-Paknam) to the end of the line. From here, take the No.36 mini-bus. It passes the entrance to the Ancient City.
□ Open everyday from 8.00 a.m. - 5.00 p.m.
It can get a bit warm so I generally go there early in the morning, Enjoy your day

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written by Ibrahim, Mon 18 May 2009 23:39:13 CDT
Got cut hairscam an fit miss trouser scam at vilage Barn Khrut
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written by Sara, Tue 19 May 2009 11:47:38 CDT
@Sammie, I thank you once again for the extra info, I'm currently awaiting confirmation for an interview @MIT, once that's done, I'll be on a plane bound for Thailand.
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written by Sammie, Tue 19 May 2009 11:58:24 CDT
Good luck with the interview and have a safe trip Sara
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written by Theo, Wed 20 May 2009 06:03:10 CDT
Well this page looks nice and claen again. Cleaned my Thai jeans again. Still the same problem. For the rest the appaer good jeans. I will stick to the original Lee from now. Tomorrow I will make the beggars at Central Station happy with my Thai jeans.
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written by Sara, Wed 20 May 2009 08:40:27 CDT
@pighoglet, no offence, but as I said yesterday, you need to remove yourselves (Partner) from that cave your living in, 450,000 customers (Thai) a day!
I believe this excludes farang customers?

@Theo, does it now, how old are you?
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written by Theo, Wed 20 May 2009 09:13:03 CDT
What happened to the comments of Mr Timmermans? He put so much feeling and energy in them!!
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written by Theo, Wed 20 May 2009 13:47:02 CDT
What about my trousers. A da.. scam. Now I mention a scam and no one pays attention! I might even have to see a docter!!
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written by Sammie, Wed 20 May 2009 14:33:31 CDT
Theo never get rid of your trousers! They must be a good reminder for you never to feel tempted to get buy trousers from an unkown source! They are your party piece, a talking point at dinner parties. Eet smakelijk!
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written by Timmerman, Wed 20 May 2009 15:26:42 CDT
"He put so much feeling and energy in them!!"

Theo, I'm here, I'm there, and I’m everywhere? I thank you for the compliment, its so good to see a fellow Netherlander show appreciation of another Netherlanders debating skills. Remember Theo, remove you're personal feelings, prejudices and super, super wit and replace with some hard honest facts?


Hebt u geweten dat u Indiase afmetingscondooms op het net kon kopen?
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written by Timmerman, Wed 20 May 2009 15:30:23 CDT
Theo, trousers! You strike me more as a flared jeans (Very tight in the crotch area) kind of guy?
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written by pighoglet, Wed 20 May 2009 15:32:09 CDT
Theo, I am truly saddened by your trousers experience, however I am wrestling with my conscience over my genuine (haha) MBK special "Ralph Lauren" polo shirt that after one wash, fits my 5 year old niece perfectly!

Have I been cheated out of the huge price of 199 baht? My niece doesnt think so.

Your jeans will make someone very happy one day soon at Centraal and I suppose the bugs in them are extra happy having somewhere good to live and foreign travel combined.
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written by Sammie, Wed 20 May 2009 17:57:46 CDT
Timmerman I am also dutch my friend, seeing this is an english site, I too am well to remember to write in the english language!
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written by Timmerman, Wed 20 May 2009 18:34:32 CDT
"Timmerman I am also dutch my friend, seeing this is an english site, I too am well to remember to write in the english language!"

@Sammie, Ha, ha, ha, you need some too?
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written by Theo, Thu 21 May 2009 08:22:59 CDT
Mr Timmerman is angry. Its a pity. This discussions are just fun. Nothing heavy. Something like a small pasttime. But I have to admit, I like to tease a little bit. Not everybody can handle that. My mother always said: Dont react if the tease you little Theo! Thats just what they want! Admin will probably clean up this page again.
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written by Theo, Thu 21 May 2009 09:06:02 CDT
Mr Timmerman, sorry but "Hard honest facts" . Are you suggesting my story about the trouserscam isnt true?
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written by Theo, Thu 21 May 2009 10:39:16 CDT
And of course our ancestors have made a few small errors. Our? Maybe yours! We, my family, checked our ancestors for over three centuries! Didnt do anything wrong! Most had hardly something to eat in Drenthe were they came from! They lived in slavery of the wealthy farmers! Who pays them back?
What matters is what happens now in Thailand. Serious things! Like the trouser scam that was done to me! Back to the scams!! Now!!
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written by Sara, Thu 21 May 2009 11:33:29 CDT
"Not everybody can handle that. My mother always said: Dont react if the tease you little Theo"

Theo, I presume your not so little anymore? From reading a lot of your comments you strike me as a 1st class Mickey taker who loves to dish it out, but cannot take it in return!

By the way, are you a carpenter?

@pighoglet, I hope you and your partner have moved out of that cave by now?

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written by Theo, Thu 21 May 2009 13:39:37 CDT
I think Mr Timmerman is a carpenter. Timmerman means carpenter. Maybe his ancestors build the boats for slave transport. Teasers always dish out and dont like returns. But I want to talk about a trousers scam. A serious matter. Ignored by you as well! Great injustice has been don to me!! Have you and Mr Timmerman been scammed in Thailand? Thats now the subject we should discuss here. By the way I suspect you and Mr Timmerman are one! Admit it Sara!
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written by pighoglet, Thu 21 May 2009 15:26:08 CDT
Sara, I would rather wedge myself deeper in that cave to get away from you and your naive attitude.

Drop the silly comments, its ruining the purpose of the site.
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written by Mitch, Fri 22 May 2009 03:17:41 CDT
pighoglet, bleeding Nora, that girl has got you well and truly sussed, she really knows how to goad you mate? By the way, are you renting the cave or do you own it?
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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 03:23:41 CDT
why is nora bleeding was she scammed
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written by pighoglet, Fri 22 May 2009 03:57:50 CDT
Only being goaded as a mosquito might goad someone looking for a blood meal. :)
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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 04:09:14 CDT
lol Mitch, Hopefully Sara is en route to Thailand to appreciate the delights of this wonderful country, and for some reason I dont think this young lady will be scammed and good for her. She is showing energy! I dont think people get the better of her she appears to have a lot of foresight.
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written by Ibrahim, Fri 22 May 2009 04:24:03 CDT
I buy trousers Wash two time 40 degree. Now underleg have no trouser! Button poppp away Zipp can no close.
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written by pighoglet, Fri 22 May 2009 13:15:24 CDT
Well, Im not old, have few worries and loads of experience and no matter how rude you are it doesnt stop me from exercising my point of view.

It may not help you and other "young people" most of whom get scammed without even knowing theyre being scammed, but my experience and views could help others.

Sara, what viewpoints have you raised to help others on this site?
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written by pighoglet, Fri 22 May 2009 13:37:53 CDT
Sara, Pride comes before a fall. Enjoy yourself in this wonderful country but dont think you know it all before even visiting. Even after years of being here and visiting multiple times no one can get by without good advice and reliable information from those who have experience.

You'll no doubt say something rude back in your next post. Up to you.
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written by Keppler, Fri 22 May 2009 15:29:46 CDT
WOW,Bangkok Scam. I visit Khaosan road each time I am in Bangkok. This was my fourth trip. I make suits on Kaosan road and they are ok. This time I tried at Soi rambuttri, and was surprice to see so many tailors. I visited seven shops and end up buying at Johny's Fashion. He is most experience tailor man around rambuttri. plz visit this place for cloths and try to deal with Johny himself. No salesman plz. www.johnysfashion.com
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written by Roger Mellie, Fri 22 May 2009 15:51:45 CDT
@Keppler, sounds to me like you work at Johnys Fashion, looking for some new customers are we?
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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 16:50:50 CDT
Roger I tend to agree there. I have done my stint over the years in KSR being sold polyester mix as silk, wool mix as cashmere, the swatches you feel are generally not the finished article. As times become harder so the scams increase., and unfortunately the deposit they hold are totally unrefundable. My inexperience has cost me dearly, but now I know Cashmere doesnt come cheap and weighs next to nothing neither does silk, Pashmina should fit through your wedding ring etc etc lol So Sara if your planning to get tailoring done maybe some experienced person in your country can teach you what to look for before spending your hard earned cash on fakes.
I have looked in despair at people spending B10,000, B15,000 on suit in Thailand, it equates to a fortune particularly when the sweat shop merchants are receiving a pittance.B6,000 is too much for an "unknown" end result.
To test for real silk see this websitehttp://english.cri.cn/974/2005/08/18/ This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
This involves the burning test of strands.
Cashmere....http://www.pashminacashmere.info/index.html
a deposit of say B1000 is better to loose than B3,000, and today our buying power is greater than a few years ago.
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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 17:06:50 CDT
Sara, doubtless you will know about this site...http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Pattaya-News-Clippings-f112.html, it incoprates the whole of Thailand. If you are travelling alone, please take vigilent precautions. Unfortunately there have been too many unexplained murders in "this wonderful" country, and unexplained deaths see Koh Phi Phi., (American and Scandanavian deaths) Koh Samui. Also Thai teak door foums.....whilst acknowledging they are just forums, it is always wise to read up on eventualities that can happen and not wishing to scare monger, maybe even consider pairing up along the way. It is not just women but men that these "unfortunate accidents" hapen to and we are lulled into a false sense of security thinking our embassies are there to protect us, both the tourist/resident and the embassy are guests in a foreign land subject to that lands rules and regulations. Travel safe Sara and think before taking walks alone along lonely beaches.
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written by JoJo, Fri 22 May 2009 18:53:50 CDT
Sadly most of the "tailors" in Bangkok will rip you off, especially in the tourist areas. Avoid any shop where a salesman waits outside and trys to get you to inside - they will cheat you for sure. A good tailor will not give you the hard sell, walk around the shop, ask questions and then walk out - if they try and stop you it is a scam shop for sure.
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written by Buster Gonad, Fri 22 May 2009 19:02:11 CDT
@JoJo, thanks for the advice.

@Sammie, do you have first hand experience, did it hurt?

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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 19:16:51 CDT
Yes JoJo and its unfortunate because there are some nice materials around if you shop carefully. In Vietnam Hoi An I had some wonderful Ao Dai national costumes made up from real silk, made to perfection by the Vietnamese, had 6 girls doing the fittings and for $200 came away with something wonderful and real silk as well. The shop is full of Vietnamese women having their costumes made. In Bangkok I go to a wonderful Thai lady in Lad Prao a sole trader who is so reasonable, not a rip off merchant, just have to buy my materials in places like Singapore, S. Korea or Japan but worth waiting for. Lao has some wonderful fabrics as well as long as your away from the tourist sites.
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written by Sammie, Fri 22 May 2009 19:20:34 CDT
Buster,unfortunately I have had first hand experience dealing with the bereaved next of kin on a few occasions (nature of my work) . Yes it hurt for me to see the faces, and if by warning some youngsters of some of the dangers I dont think I am doing anything wrong. I am always receptive to advise , but thank you for asking!
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written by Bounder, Fri 22 May 2009 19:57:16 CDT
If you want to find a good tailor that uses top fabrics here is what you look for. Go to Chareon Krung (never, never, never listen to anyone who approaches you if you are standing at the intersection of Silom Road and Chareon Krung), look for tailor shops that do not have anyone standing out front trying to rope in tourists. Look in the shop window, if you see an old Chinese man (barefoot) reading a newspaper at the back of the shop, go in. If the old man pays no attention to you, chances are you are dealing with an excellent tailor. In a minute or two, the old man will come speak with you. If you ask for a suit he will ask how long you are staying in Bangkok because real tailors can not make a suit in 24 or even 48 hours. The old man will tell you that you will need two fittings and that your suit will be ready in a week or two. Depending on the fabric your suit will cost 6-10,000Baht. If you order cotton shirts (top quality), they will be 600-700Baht per. I won't give my tailors name because I think he is busy enough.
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written by Anna, Sat 23 May 2009 11:56:42 CDT
Sammie, me and a girlfriend we plan trip in thailand, but we think maybe it not safe after what you say above, we stay in Sweden this time.
Thank you for the help.
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written by Theo, Sun 24 May 2009 05:12:02 CDT
There isnt that much difference between Thailand and most other third world countries. Most of them have a corrupt police, corruption in business and a lot of scams. If for this reason one doesnt visit Thailand one should avoid most third world countries. This site is usefull because it might help people being scammed. Not to advice people not to visit Thailand. Most longer stays in any third world country end in desillusion. Or one learns to live with it because things wont change
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written by Viktor, Tue 26 May 2009 18:18:35 CDT
I'm currently in BKK and bought two suits a few days ago although at a Tailor not mentioned, SUP Fashion. I was lured there in just the same way as described above with Tuktuk driver, Buddhist holyday, tales of tax-free wares as a jesture from the government and lots of strangers that recommended buying jewelry and tailormade, and I honestly was naive enough to believe all of it.

I havent gotten my suits yet though. I was on the 2nd fitting today and thus far it really looks good. The tailors are polite and the suits looks just like I want them to. Delivery is tomorrow afternoon so after reading this forum, I have to say that I'm abit nervous about the results!

Paid 10,000 BTH for the first suit, 5000 for the second (they said that since they already have the prints for my first suit, its cheaper for them to make a second, therefore the lower price). I'm more willing to believe that I payed way too much for the first one.. All was paid in advance which is incredibly naive ofcourse when I dont know what I get, but it's easier to be smart afterwards!

But, to the main question, is there a quick way for me to tell if the fabric is not cashmere but polyester or something else, and I've been scammed? And what should I do if they have actually replaced the wares with fakes? Because of the lack of documentation I suppose that refund from VISA is not an option..

Lets hope for the best, we'll see tomorrow :)
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written by Rhyan, Wed 10 Jun 2009 19:00:40 CDT
YOU ARE ALL MAD!

NEVER PAY MORE THAN 3,000 baht for a suit with tie and bag!

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written by Steve, Mon 22 Jun 2009 20:57:17 CDT
I have got 5 suits from these guys and we negotiated hard - one suit with two pairs of trousers for just under £70

I am still wearing them as I write and would have no complaints - an off the peg with one pair of trousers at Marks and Spencers would cost you about £90 these days
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written by louis, Wed 22 Jul 2009 05:05:22 CDT
All these suits are not made on site as you may have been led to believe but are actually made in a sweat shop off premises with the rest of the tourist suits from other tailors. They are all made by the same ppl, the tailor shop is just a front or franchise to get you to buy their crap.
I got sucked into buying one in Phuket for $100AUS (after I'd been drinking all day) with shirt and 2 ties..I paid a small deposit and the remainder on delivery. The shirt was crap and that went in the bin, the pants I have worn a couple of times but are not a perfect fit and the jacket has a few flaws which I didn't pick up on final payment.
If you really want quality buy at home or if travelling to Honk Kong buy there, dont waste your money in Thailand.
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written by happy pat, Fri 31 Jul 2009 16:05:36 CDT
bought two suits from gallitinos two years ago plus shirts good fit good quality very happy nuff said
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written by Adam W, Sun 02 Aug 2009 10:22:42 CDT
I live in Thailand and work abroad by traveling from Thailand .. To everyone the rule is simple Tailors Vary some good some bad but all can get it wrong so what you do is pay 2000bht deposit and no more then the balance when you collect the finished suits/clothes you tell them that's the deal if you don't like it I will go elsewhere. Do not pay on your credit card give them cash. You loss is limited to 50USD don't bend on it and don't accept anything else they will ALL take it if they are good if not GO ELSEWHERE.
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written by Adam W, Sun 02 Aug 2009 10:25:30 CDT
Do not pay any money on a card and only pay 2000bht deposit until you are happy with what they have done . if they don't like it and wont accept it they are not good if they do you should be OK
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written by DJ, Sun 30 Aug 2009 18:17:57 CDT
I was brought tothe jewel shop and then the manhattan suit shop (& I did buy with great success) by a tuk-tuk few pointers:

1. If some one approaches you on the street just say no.no.no.no.no. it might be ignorant but they'll get the message. Don't engage conversation as to where you're from or anything like that...

2. (If you do Just walk out of the shops you get ushered into, don't say a word and you'll be ok. If the guy insists to take youto these places, you can offer him abit more journey money not too. That way he might'nt miss his petrol tokens). By the time you do this tho' your approaching taxi money

3. I did get a suit from Manhattan. Its was £70 GBP for 1 suit, 2 shirts and a tie which wasn't bad value, but I had to negotiate to get that. -

Agree the price, materials and what you're getting at the time (illustrate it & draw a picture if necessary), get a receipt (with details of what you've ordered and agreed) as you will pay upfront. Don't get it sent back to you home country or delivered to the hotel-you get a better quality, fit & service if you get it from the shop - they don't want you kicking off and scaring other tourist customers away. Get a price you want topay and stick to it, if they won't agree or offer you different materials, just walk away. You'll get whatyou want in the end.
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written by Your Angel, Fri 11 Sep 2009 00:20:23 CDT
There are good tourist people and obviously bad too so my conclusion is you guys are hearing only from 1 sided. These tourist (the bad ones ) might be too choosy and idiotic towards the shop so guys thank you for "LENDING YOUR EARS" bUt re think twice before you take any decision.....
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written by db-bkk, Wed 16 Sep 2009 10:23:48 CDT
Just read the story above. It’s a pity that the suit buying experience wasn't a good. Anyone coming to Bangkok should be aware that there are a number of scams in the city targeted at tourists. 95% of people who approach in a tourist area want to squeeze you for every penny you have.
Don't want to sound unsympathetic but the story above reminds me how massively naive people can be. The suits should have only cost about 20% what was paid. Anyone who just hands over their cash like that without doing any research should probably blame themselves as much as the scammers.
Also the full amount of money was handed over before the service was delivered; this was another basic mistake in my opinion as the tailor then had limited incentive to do a good job. Pay a deposit and only pay the rest when you’ve got a good suit in your hands.
I suppose some people don’t want to go on holiday with their guard up but you have to be careful in Asia. And realise, most things are much, much cheaper here!
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written by Darren from Doha, Mon 21 Sep 2009 23:42:21 CDT
Hi

Just read the comments on this scam. Yep it happened to me today, however I refused to pay all of the 34,000 only 50% by visa.

I am going back in 2 days for the fitting and will take a copy of the comments from this site with me. I expect the suit will be of similar standard to the comments above. I will make another post about what happens in a couple of days.
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written by Qi, Fri 25 Sep 2009 08:13:53 CDT
Voglee shop in Bangkok, They planning with the tuk tuk driver and taxi driver. The first time you go to this shop, they will show u the good material but when you order it and you paid to them, On the day you will go to get your suit it not the same material on the first day they show to you.

Not only at Voglee, there are a lot in bangkok. if you want to cut the suit in bangkok, pls check the tailor shop first before you go there.

the one tailor in Thai you can believe them at Songsamai Tailor. this shop it open long time ago and there are lot of branch in Bangkok.

someone who read this message, please tell to your friend that Thailand still have a lot of the good people
but not Tuk Tuk driver and Taxi driver who offer you about the jewelly store or tailor.

In the same way, if you want to go to the Gewelly Factory you can call to them by yourself to pick you up at your hotel in case you come to visit Thailand by yourself and have no your tour guide.

You can believe your tour guide from the agency that you contact. When you have problem they can give you help.

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written by Jeremy, Thu 01 Oct 2009 13:53:51 CDT
I just got back to Chicago a while ago and yes, I'm another who fell for this stupid scam, but luckily for me I did not purchase anything or I'm sure I would have wasted thousands of dollars down the drain at these stores! Any who, I did get some clothes made in the end and I was actually quite happy with the amount of paid compared to the amount I received, so I thought I would plug a good name where they deserve the plugging. Crown Tailors on Sukhumvit soi 8. They got us some great stuff and at LEAST half the price of that at JAMES!
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written by Stephen McCullum, Fri 02 Oct 2009 01:10:51 CDT
I am a frequent flyer to Bangkok, as I am there every 6 months for United Nation meeting. The best Tailor shop I discover was Sunny Fashions at Khaosan Road. I can guarantee you that they will cut you the best suit and shirt with perfect fitting. The most surprising is that the price are not very high as well. During July of 2009 i made 2 suit and 6 shirt for just Baht 15000. The staff are very nice and friendly. I would recommend all the ex pats and tourist to visit Sunny Fashions.
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written by Dave, Tue 13 Oct 2009 04:03:26 CDT
Avoid Gulatino - poor aftersales, no commitment to delivering against their promise and avoid there "i have a better tailor in bangkok approach vs their other tailor in Phuket scam"
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written by sam, Wed 21 Oct 2009 17:32:46 CDT
i pity those peoples who are cheated by tailors and also pity those people who think that they can buy a cashmere suit for 3000 baht.there are good and there are bad people everywhere.there are many people who are satisfied with 3000 baht polyster suits and there are dissatified people who pay 15000 baht for a nice cashmere wool suit.i have been to few good tailors but i bought material (made in italy ) (made in england) in italy and england and had a good worker.it was fantastic.my overall cost with material and workmenship was roughly about 7500 baht but i am satisfied.
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written by neva again, Mon 26 Oct 2009 14:24:41 CDT
was referred to adam and eve bangkok from indra regent.porter gets commission in form of beer.tailor even ripped them off.paid way too much,,very poor quality,by the time you have currency conversion fees etc way better to buy at home at sale prices and better quality
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written by the cats mother, Tue 27 Oct 2009 07:24:50 CDT
Hey guys just cut up the suits and shirts and make a beautiful patchwork quilt,
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written by William, Wed 28 Oct 2009 14:04:10 CDT
The scams in Thailand are endless and scams by tailors are many. However, if it helps I always but my garments, suits, etc from MAJESTIC TAILORS on Sukhumvit near Soi Nana. They also own the Majestic Suites and the Grand Sukhumvit Hotel. They are also Indian by heritage, I believe from their dress and accent they are Sikh. The customer service has always been above average, they are patient and more than willing to bargain with you (I have always been satisfied with the pricing), they have alway given me above average quality and workmanship and the garments I purchased were delivered on time. I have also ordered suits and slacks online, I received the same high quality reasonable pricing and ontime delivery.
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written by Guest, Mon 09 Nov 2009 11:29:59 CST
Hello all....we felt in this SCAM... some days ago... please be careful, there's a place call NAKORN SAWAN.... and it's the same LE NAKORNSAWAN, it's the same place and thay are Scammers....they ask you to pay everything in cash... or credit card but they tell you that if you pay in credit card they charge 5%... very intelligent.... please don't pay any money!!!! you don't have to....
if you really wanna buy there (stupid decision) pay just 10% of the total price...you don't have to pay the 100%... e they know how to envolved you...please be intelligent and listen yourself....

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written by Cheeseweasel, Thu 12 Nov 2009 07:36:58 CST
I too fell for this scam on my second day in Thailand before I really knew what was what. One morning I went to the Grand Palace and was told by what I now realise was a man dressed as a police officer that the palace was closed for the morning due to a "Buddhist holiday" (a common tactic used by various con-artists in Bangkok). He explained that all was not lost, however, as the palace would re-open at 1pm and there were plenty of other attractions that I could visit in the meantime; he marked these on my map: the Happy Buddha, a couple of temples, the SPECIAL THAI EXPORT MARKET (nudge nudge, wink wink). I explained that I wasn't in Thailand to shop but I would visit the other attractions. He then stuck out his thumb and a tuk-tuk pulled up. After exchanging a few words in Thai with the driver, I had a super-cheap ride around Bangkok for the morning. I thought about all the sucker tourists who were paying 200B for a 10 minute journey and felt pretty smug about myself.

After visiting the Happy Buddha I returned to the waiting tuk-tuk. The driver woke up and decided he needed the loo, and disappeared for 5 minutes or so. I had a look at my surroundings and noticed that behind the tuk-tuk was a well-dressed Thai guy loading some stuff into his car. We said hi to each-other and ended up in conversation. Eventually he asked where I was going, and I got out my map and showed him the places the "policeman" had marked. "How do you know about this place?" he asked, indicating the export market. "Not many tourists know about this - you need to be a member to buy from here, but for this week only it's open to the public." He showed me his gold Voglee Export Tailors membership card and explained how he bought all his suits from there. I figured that maybe I had stumbled upon one of the few genuinely good tailors in Bangkok.

After visiting a temple, the tuk-tuk pulled up outside the tailor's shop. I wasn't really interested in buying a suit, but the driver seemed keen for me to go in. I decided to check the place out, if only so the driver could get his commission. 15 mins later I left the shop slightly shell-shocked and 10000B lighter, having been effectively bullied by a very high-pressure salesman into having a cashmere suit and two fitted shirts made for me.

It was only on the way home when it dawned on me that all the nice, friendly, English-speaking people I had met on my day out might have been in on the whole thing. Back at my hostel I did a quick internet search for Voglee Tailors and read all the reports of people being scammed by them.

I felt like a total clown for falling for the scam. I was properly furious, and got a taxi straight back to the shop at 6.30pm as they were putting the shutters down. I spent the next 45 mins shouting, swearing and making a nuisance of myself inside the shop. I sat down in the manager's chair, put my feet up on the desk and refused to leave until I had a full refund, telling them I knew that the suit would be polyester instead of the good material I had chosen. I noticed the racks of shoddy, cheap suits around the room. The salesman insisted they were cashmere, so I got him to burn one with a lighter. It smelled of plastic. Eventually they got fed up of waiting and became more threatening, saying they would call the police, and then I would go to jail and get no suit. Legally, they had covered themselves; my receipt simply said "1 suit, 2 shirts", with no indication of their material. I eventually agreed to leave if they gave me a cutting of the cashmere material I had chosen so I could compare it with the finished suit the next day, which they did. I also cadged a cigarette off the salesman, which was really strong and harsh. Especially as I don't smoke.

Anyway, I came back the next day for the fitting, and the suit was actually really nice! It was definitely the material I had chosen, and the jacket was a good fit. The tailoring was of an acceptable standard, though it had obviously been machined in a factory. Somehow they had managed to make the trousers too long though (I suspect they might have been off-the-shelf ones). Since I was leaving Bangkok the next day they suggested that I returned in a month when I was due to fly back home again to pick up the altered suit. As I'd seriously had enough of the place and I didn't want to risk them pulling a switcheroo on me at the last minute, I put the suit in the bag and left the shop, along with some silk ties I got the manager to throw in. I can turn the trousers up at home in my own time.

So in the end it turned out kind of OK; I got a decent suit for a quarter of the price I'd have paid in the UK (although by SE Asia standards I got ripped off pretty badly).

I felt a proper muppet for getting conned in this way. I'd read about tailoring scams before I came to Thailand, but I just hadn't realised how elaborate they could be; this one involved a fake policeman, a tuk-tuk driver, a shill conveniently placed in a car park, and a tailor's shop.

I don't even wear suits for work and I already have a cheap Burton's number for weddings and funerals. You live and learn, I guess.
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written by back in bangkok, Thu 12 Nov 2009 15:35:01 CST
My first comment here... all these guys haveing suits made up... knowing they are scams still end up liking the suits.... so does it mean that no matter how you were treated, or bullied into buting a suit , the finishing is acceptable.
I think it is very encouraging for the spammers.they can sell you a suit for double the price and get away with giving you a few cheap ties.
A cheap suit feels cheap.no matter what.
there are some very good shops on the Sukhumvit Asok area, try them and be rewarded with a good suit .
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written by Cheeseweasel, Thu 12 Nov 2009 19:36:23 CST
Nah of course its not acceptable, I'm just trying to look on the bright side. I got a pretty decent suit that fitted (though I very much doubt there's any cashmere in it, I'm no expert on these things) rather than an off-the-shelf polyester one like a lot of people end up with.

Voglee and all these other places are clearly a bunch of crooks, but equally tourists are to blame for falling for these scams when they should know better and do their research before coming to Bangkok.
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written by Unhappy Camper, Wed 18 Nov 2009 07:07:50 CST
Just a quick note re Gulatino tailors who do travel to Australia.....their service was impeccable until recently where their quality has turned south at a great rate of knots and I plus many of my corporate friends who have been dealing with these guys via "Dave the Tailor" have not had orders delivered but been charged in full, or have had some garments arrive and not others, or have had garments arrive of very poor quality....and they are not returning emails or calls....they have gone to ground.....so do not have them in your workplace. A group of us are in the process of providing information and lodging fraud complaints to our respective state police and the federal police in an attempt to ensure "Dave the Tailor" is detained when he next visits Australia. We have provided details of previous visits to Australia and what photos of him we had so that his passport details could be identified. These people have turned from well respected good service providers into the worst kind of criminals by grossly abusing the trust of their long standing clients and corporate hosts who over years have helped them build their business. They have tainted the good names of many of their clients who recommended them to others given they are now not replying to anyone to address concerns.....DO NOT DEAL WITH THEM AT PRESENT AS THERE ARE SOME VERY DODGEY OUTCOMES....You would better just giving your money to a known charity as at least you will get some satisfaction for your money if nothing else where you won't with Gulatino Tailors and "Dave the Tailor"
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written by jetsetter, Thu 10 Dec 2009 03:25:19 CST
I ordered from these guys two years ago when I was in Bangkok and the suits were great. I have an email address here, This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it and I emailed it to inquire about ordering more suits but it was no longer in service. Does anyone know how to get ahold of them? An email address or website?
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written by Gerald, Thu 10 Dec 2009 10:01:58 CST
@jetsetter, yeah, I know this business, they closed down about two years ago!
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written by dave the tailor, Mon 14 Dec 2009 16:14:10 CST
can i have your name pls if you are really not happy with the service and the quality and if you have any indentity you must provide you name
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written by dave the tailor, Mon 14 Dec 2009 16:15:59 CST
or email me at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
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written by Roddy, Mon 14 Dec 2009 18:32:24 CST
"can i have your name pls if you are really not happy with the service and the quality and if you have any indentity you must provide you name"

Wow, I wonder how many of the praises heeped upon some of the tailors on this link are genuine?
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written by Jake, Mon 14 Dec 2009 21:50:24 CST
I find it strange how tailors such as "dave" above are leaving messages on this thread, do you also bigup up your tailor shop as well dave (Using another name of course)?
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written by Julien, Tue 15 Dec 2009 23:08:12 CST
I found my old Voglee "VIP" card back in a drawer (was there in 2005) and googled around to find out I had been scammed like most people here. Well, it was a very well rehearsed one and I totally fell for it.

I negotiated down the price a lot, got to choose my fabric, cuts and style one by one (I'm picky).

I was expecting 3 fitting sessions but ended up doing 5 because at mid-course, the neck sizes were all wrong, the suit cut was not exactly was I had asked for, etc. They *did* re-do the 3 shirts, updated the suits and put a set of red/black ties for free on top.

I might have been scammed indeed, but I walked away with one regular suit, one 3-part suit, and one full tuxedo with matching shirts for US$450 shipping to Japan included (I filled up the EMS form myself). The same thing (polyester fabric) would have cost me anywhere from $800 to $1000 in ready-to-wear, not even mentioning tailed-made suits.

And because I have short upper-body and too long legs, I never fit in any readily available standard size suits while the Voglee ones fit me decently well.

So... I paid for the well organized scam and overpaid for the suits, but I still got to walk away with 3 complete suits that fit me better than what I could get where I was living at that time (Japan and France).

Maybe I got lucky?

Julien
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written by Damian McGoo, Tue 15 Dec 2009 23:50:28 CST
With respect Julien, how do we know that youre not Mr Voglee himself (Eye roll and then a sudden snap of the fingers)?
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written by Tomo, Thu 24 Dec 2009 00:09:29 CST
Be aware this scam is still going on but they have now changed their name to glorious tailors ltd. Or glorious exports. Exactly the same scam with the multiple friendly people all suggesting you should go to this special export tailors with special offer.
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written by Really upset, Thu 24 Dec 2009 01:46:01 CST
I was advised to get a tailor made shirt when i went to Bangkok, boy was I taken for a ride. Do NOT go to Le Nakornsawan at 463/68-69 Lookluang Rd., Seeyek Mahanak, Dusit, Bangkok 02-2825329 http://www.nakornsawan49.com/. I ordered 2 cashmere mid length coats. The fit was bad, the lining was so cheap, the hem had bumps b/c it wasn't pressed right, and they wouldn't take a return. I mailed it back and they refused it. I fought with my credit card company but b/c it was a foreign purchase, I couldn't get reimbursed. I will never again get anything tailor made in Thailand.
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written by Biffo, Thu 24 Dec 2009 07:33:27 CST
@Really upset, sad news, may I ask how much you paid and what happened to the coats ( I bet the tailor has them)?
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written by Bob, Sat 02 Jan 2010 08:58:50 CST
I honestly don't care if the tailor in question is providing a legit, quality product or not. If they employ annoying, often times rude touts, they can kiss my ass.

The touts in Pattaya are bad but the ones in Patong are the worst. I've had them grab my arm and pull me and even make sarcastic remarks and insults because I didn't want to shake their filthy hands.

Seriously, it's annoying to get ripped off by a Thai but when these Burmese, Indian, Paki or whatever they are touts grab me, block my path and insult me for not wanting to buy some suit which I neither need nor want, it gets under my skin.

If I'm in a good mood, I'll mess with these guys and ask them to make a small tuxedo for my hum noi or ask them exactly what flavor of "soup" they are offering. Also asking for an Armani swim suit is good for a laugh.
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written by THE BEST TAILOR IN THAILAND, Fri 05 Feb 2010 15:26:57 CST
I like to recomment to every one whom like to come to bangkok thailand if you like to have a best suit make by order you must come to o0rder at DINO SUIT 212/6-7Sukhumvit Plaza Sukhumvit road between soi 10 - 12 Tel.662 - 252-8848 ,662- 252 - 8849 Att.Mr.Noi attachai his the manager.
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written by Simon, Fri 05 Feb 2010 22:36:29 CST
^ LOL. Cheap advert. If you like to have a best suit.
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written by KARL MEIER STUTTGART, Sun 28 Feb 2010 14:56:51 CST
hello
forgett also this tailor.....gelatti mahattan tom and jerry wir sprechen deutsch tailor hermann luttchi pavarorotti and and and.

go direct to pinky tailor bts ploenchit mahatun plaza.
no headaches no overpricing ect.
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written by Robert Povenster, Thu 04 Mar 2010 12:22:01 CST
Becareful the most dangerous tailor in town " Nice Fashion " you ll be overcharged with poor quality.
The Shop pay a lot of commission to person who took customer there.
My experience with this is so bad
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written by Lake, Thu 18 Mar 2010 00:19:14 CDT
Has anyone had any experience with Empier Tailors in Bangkok?
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written by Warren Buffy, Thu 18 Mar 2010 11:13:16 CDT
@Lake, please tell?
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written by Daniel Tan, Fri 19 Mar 2010 01:14:30 CDT
Any one have experience with Tony's Fashion House?

Are they actually ok?
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written by Hamed Zhiad, Fri 19 Mar 2010 11:27:38 CDT
@Daniel, I go two week ago have suit made,now suit in rubbish bin.
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written by mAYA sAHRMA, Sat 20 Mar 2010 20:09:11 CDT
Saty awa from NICE FASHION- they are cheats! They pull the old switcehroo...show you silk and you get polyester. My items came stained! They provide no detailed bills to cover up their tracks...They also use people on the streets calimimg to be policemen to send you over there! STAY AWAY!!!
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written by Mickael-France, Sat 20 Mar 2010 22:59:19 CDT
I am client at Manahattan Tailors for five years. Good craftsmanship, good materials.
The only problem is they have too good a name, and thus charge rather
exorbitant prices. In february 2010 I bought 4 suits, and I can say that materials are good, craftmanship is now bad quality and prices are still exorbitant.
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written by Daniel Tan, Thu 25 Mar 2010 18:04:48 CDT
@Hamid thanks
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written by Daniel Tan, Fri 26 Mar 2010 12:23:10 CDT
Anyone has experience with Ambassador Tailor at Soi 19 Sukhumvit ?

Are they any good?
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written by Mick, Fri 26 Mar 2010 21:41:34 CDT
@Daniel Tan, its trial and error I'm afraid, tailors in general do not give value for money.
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written by Daniel Tan, Sun 28 Mar 2010 18:35:43 CDT
@ Mick Thanks for the information

This is what I have done.

Know your stuff before you purchase. Understand the different materials involved from polyester to cotton to cashmere wool. Ask the materials that you want and the price that you think is reasonable. Do not be easily sidetracked to the sales pitch and concentrate on what you want. Understand the materials involved. The prices will depend on the cutting, materials used and accessories. Good things are not cheap and cheap things are never good.

The prices in Ambassador are comparable to those in Malaysia and they are able to get the tailoring done fast. So far the suits made (2 suits with 2 pants and 7 cotton shirts are satisfactory and acceptable. Good service so far and seem trustworthy thus far. Met and heard of lots of repeat customers whilst in the shop and they seem to be satisfied with the workmanship.

By the way, stayed in their sister hotel at the back called Sam's Lodge. Ok for budget price and happy with the room

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written by Joe, Sun 04 Apr 2010 11:07:10 CDT
The best tailor shop with the biggest variety of fabrics in bangkok is on the 3rd floor of CENTRAL WORLD department store called BANGKOK BAZAAR. The shop was recommended to me by a friend. The shop actually educated me on the system of tailoring in bangkok. From roadside commission seekers to the reality of cheap advertisements etc. They actually told me the fabric at thier shop which says cashmere wool is polyester blended with 80 % poly (now who would do that) and thats y it was cheaper compared to real wool cashmere and were ready to do a little burning test for silk and wool, well if it is polyester it turns plastic with burnt. They were very professional to the core and the clothes turnd out to be great.
Some ppl think road-side shops will be more cheaper which is not true..y not shop in an airconditiooned mall in luxury and get what u pay for.
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written by KARAN, Wed 07 Apr 2010 14:15:43 CDT
I am really thank Full to MR Daniel That is really happy with our clothes which we made for him . few weeks back ......... Its always Good to hear from yours clients what experince they got from you . I think Net is best way to know abut yours workmanship & Fabric Slelections which u offer Your clients .

BCOZ HERE CLIENTS ALWAYS WRITE WHAT ACTUALLY THEY THINK ABUT US.

I belive ( IF YOU PAY FOR PEANUTS YOU WILL GET MONKEYS ONLY )

YOU WILL GET FOR WHAT YOU PAY . BUT WE KEEP SAME WORKMANSHIP FOR ALL RANGES OF SUITS

BCOZ IF FIRST TIME YOU GO FOR CHEAP SUITS FROM US AND YOUR NOT HAPPY WITH FABRIC . BUT SUIT FITS YOU GREAT . THEN BETTER ASK YOUR SELF .

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written by Ash, Mon 19 Apr 2010 20:31:13 CDT
My name is ash, I had 2 suits made by g.armani collection in Soi Rambuttri, Bangkok. These guys make beautiful suits out of beautiful material, professional and faultless copies of armania and hugo boss etc, you will not get a better suit for the price.

Ash - England
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written by Hidi, Tue 20 Apr 2010 11:06:46 CDT
Dear Tailors, stop trying to bigup up your shops on this thread, who would believe what anybody says on this thread, how can anything be proved? Stop the lying and cheating, Thailands reputation is in tatters thanks to you lot (not all).
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written by Sam, Wed 21 Apr 2010 12:33:02 CDT
I've been living in Bangkok for a long time. Do not go to Song Smai. You've been warned. I now have $1000 of shitty suits. What a total f@#king waste of my time, money, and energy. They will smile to your face, and screw you behind your back.

Never pay cash for a deposit, and get EVERYTHING in writing (including the drawing of the suit, details, and a LARGE piece of fabric stapled to the receipt). If you pay cash, you're f@#ked. If you don't get everything in writing, you're f@#ked.

And to the person who made their little plug for Song Smai, you're English skills obviously indicate that you're most likely Thai.
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written by Brad, Wed 21 Apr 2010 22:59:11 CDT
Gee Sam, a 1000 bucks! I'll put the word out to avoid this shop at all costs, Thais really like shooting themselves in the foot?
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written by David Grant, Tue 18 May 2010 18:44:21 CDT
I ended up at Manhattan Tailor back in 2004. Bought 2 suits with a spare pair of trousers. Well pleased and excellent service. Felt I was dealing with a proper tailor - this was not a rush job. On going back for a first fitting I brought along an old suit jacket. It was a tip I heard about the far east cut being less generous. On showing my old jacket, there was a lot of nodding of heads and movement of pins. Was picked up for my final fitting, dropped off at the kick boxing (my request) and my suits were ready for me at The Hotel on my return from Koh Sumi as promised. If I can get back to Bagkok, I'll be knocking on their door.
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written by Charlie, Tue 18 May 2010 23:15:13 CDT
My experience at Manhattan tailors in Bangkok was the totally the opposite to a scam. My brother and I, poor college students on a tour of Thailand in 2006, did get taken to a bunch of different tailors on the tuk tuks before we found out that the tuk tuk driver got free gas cards from each tailor they took us to. We finally convinced one nice driver to stop screwing us around and actually take us to a legit tailor. He took us to Manhattan, we were fitted for shirts and negotiated a price of $25 per shirt. That was 4 years ago and these shirts are still the best I own; they fit like a dream (thank god I haven't gained weight) and are as eye catching and wrinkle free as the day I took them out of Manhattan.

I found this site b/c I wanted to find out if Manhattan still exists, and maybe get some more clothes tailored and shipped to America. But it seems that my experience is not common and perhaps different people running Manhattan made it into a more scammy place. I will just have to be satisfied with my four (still) amazing shirts for now.
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written by Brad, Wed 19 May 2010 07:59:06 CDT
good that some one is happy with the suitmongers
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written by Henry, Wed 19 May 2010 08:04:20 CDT
Does anyone know a good Taylor for Ladies -Im a Man but I like wearing Ladies clothes but Im 6 foot 6 and need a Taylor
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written by Nick Griffin, Wed 19 May 2010 12:08:57 CDT
@Henry, yes, I know a great TAILOR (Battyman Tailors), they are right next to Salae Deng BTS, they are having a special reduction of 50% off hand made suits for persons with your needs. Please go today, and they'll give you an extra 10% off if you wear red!
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written by Ikram, Wed 19 May 2010 14:15:03 CDT
to make a long story short.
im from indonesia but i work in singapore. I was taken to manhattan tailor by my tuk tuk from the windsor tower hotel.
all i can say is it is a total scam. The quality of workmanship is very bad. the price is too high. I was conned into buying 3 suits and 3 shirts for 28,000 bht . The clothes were not ready on time and they said it was to be sent to hotel. i did not get the style i asked for . i asked for a single breast suit with one back vent but ended up with a single breast with 2 vents. The material was told to me to be wool but when i tool it to my regular tailor on orchard road to have it altered because of the bad workmanship he said it was cotton with no wool at all. I advise to those who are serious to buy suits go to recommended ones that your friends have tried because Thailand has too many tailors but few good ones.
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written by Todd Hunter, Wed 19 May 2010 14:41:36 CDT
Wow, maybe Manhattan Tailors have changed hands, because my experience was one that I'll never ever forget. My suit which they made in a day, fell apart a week later, thats right, one week later! Are we talking about the same Manhattan Tailors or maybe there's two? Yeah right.
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written by robert, Fri 21 May 2010 13:38:06 CDT
I would highly recommend the services of Mr Karma and his team to anyone visiting this site as I already have to my friends back here in Australia. The company name is overseas tailor ...www.overseastailor.com

We were so impressed by the service and quality that we bought more than our initial order. Three bespoke suits, 7 custom shirts and 3 tailored dresses all at a great price. Any request for modifications during the fittings were greeted with a friendly smile and "can do" attitude and even after sale enquiries have been treated with the same friendly attitude.

Look forward to dealing with Mr Karma, Mr Robert and Mr Joe in the future
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written by Dr.Bernhard Klinger, Fri 21 May 2010 13:42:04 CDT
Four years ago I bought some suits and some shirts in Bangkok at Mr. Karma`s shop. After that I ordered by internet another two times. I am very content to know a good address where I can order clothing of best quality and of a very good price. I am sure: The order of this year will not be the last one. Mr. Karma and his team can be recommended Shop call Overseas Tailor www.overseastailor.com
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written by Dr.Bec.j. marks, Fri 21 May 2010 13:44:25 CDT
PEACE Mr. Raj Karmacharya!

YOU are my #1 tailor in the world sir. I am from California however now I am living and working in Japan. It is VERY IMPORTANT that I look sharp and and I only trust Mr. Karmacharya and OVERSEAS TAILOR to make my suits and accessories.

As far as I am concerned...you guys are the best in Thailand...the best in Asia...the best in the world.
ALWAYS exact...ALWAYS on time. ALWAYS sharp!! ALWAYS on point!! Solid!!

Thanks Raj and I look forward to seeing you the next time I am in Thailand ( next month ) to get measured up and have some new suits cut up!!

Be well!! Be healthy!! PEACE and Blessings to Raj Karmacharya and much prosperity to OVERSEAS TAILOR
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written by Inspector Gadget, Fri 21 May 2010 14:21:04 CDT
Hello, is there anyone in at OVERSEASTAILORS, how stupid do you think we are? Three seperate people in the space of SIX minutes have all bigged you up! Now, how about pulling the other one, it has a bell on it...
Quiet are we, business not doing so well these days, its called karma me old cockle, karma.

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written by Proffesor Doolittle, Fri 21 May 2010 18:32:16 CDT
I would very much like to disagree with the honourable gentlemen above as regards to Overseas Tailors, I had a suit and 3 shirts made by this tailor. The suit was 2 sizes too small, plus the fabric was not what was shown to me at the fitting, as for the shirts, they fell apart after several weeks! I do wonder if the men above are related in some way to the business?
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written by Proffesor Doolittle, Fri 21 May 2010 18:34:33 CDT
By the way, I'm not implicating Inspector Gadget.
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written by german man, Sat 19 Jun 2010 14:40:17 CDT
Hi all,

I find www.thailandtailoronline.com their price is low, has anybody order yet?
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written by tom, Sun 01 Aug 2010 18:27:10 CDT
well friend i have visited thailand and i find it that all the tailors are using polyster fabrics and all the touriste are being cheated by a recommendation street guide all quality is scrab and no value its just a chaeting game not happy with thailand tours
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written by Guest, Mon 23 Aug 2010 20:50:20 CDT
Same story as written by Andrea - UK, Tue 07 Oct 2008 03:36:28 CDT and Guest, Mon 09 Nov 2009 11:29:59 CST with NAKORN SAWAN. I was told the grand palace is closed, where the nice guy on the side entrance drew a new line on the map, with temples and Thai factory for clothes. Since everybody knows the story of the coupons and the tuk tuk in Bangkok, i expected a short visit in the store. First visit was a nice temple, where we meet a local . He took a view on the map and saw Thai factory Tailor written on it. He told me it is only open for the public today and the quality is very good.
So the Tuk Tuk drove us there and I ordered a suit, two shirts and a tie for 10.500 Baht, 100% advanced payment. Well I had a good feeling, even more with the incident in the temple.
They delivered it to Koh Samui, three days later. I ordered a blue suit, revceived a black suit, and the pants where awfully sewed at the bottom and way to big. I claimed one day later, with a rest stay at Koh Samui of 12 days, they offered me to sent a new one to my hotel. But this e-Mail offer received me one day before my leave. I was supposed to give them my hotel address and they will send me a remake. First, they had my hotel address (first package i did receive) and second they were only time playing. Since now I have not heard a word from this man, who was sewing the suits for the AS-Roma....BE AWARE ... Every Year the Same story
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written by a tailor in bangkok, Fri 27 Aug 2010 17:17:11 CDT
hi Friends,

I happen to browse through all your comments, and would like to apologise to many who have been scammed by tailors in thailand, as i am too part of the tailor industry,

I am not here to market my store or product, or even to say which tailors are bad and which are good, but just would like to be of any help that i can, As a tourist to many countries i too do realise the fact of how a fraud or scam could ruin the image of the country and people you least expected it.

the problem with thailand is we are heavily corrupted country, which makes it quite easy for over 60% of tailor shops or gem store come up with such scams and fraud, that have everyone from the taxi, tuk tuk, airport staff, cops etc. all involved, since its all about the free money.

I will be very honest about one thing to you all, whenever you plan to purchase a suit here the price range is always between US$80 to US$250 for a suit, thats the maximum you should be paying no matter which tailor or how well reputated they claim to be, completely avoid any guides, taxis, or tuk tuk, even some of the shop that have crazy deals of US$123 for 3 suits 3 ex.apnts etc, these two group of tailor that use guide, taxis, and advertisement with crazy deals are the worst lot.

As i mentioned that over 60% of the tailor store are using the dirty trick to scam the tourist, on the other hand there is 40% who are very dedicated in serving with honesty, if any of you would like me to suggest my store or meet me with a hope of finding one honest tailor do contact me at This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it

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