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World Federal Travel in Bangkok
Saturday, 18 April 2009

I'm not sure if this is the kind of thing that you're website really covers (as most of the material seems to involve street scams), but I'd like to submit this to you guys anyways. 

I recently arrived in Bangkok about a week ago. I knew I was eventually going to further traveling all throughout Thailand. After a day or two of looking, I  wondered into a travel agency by the name of World Federal Travel just off of Phisanulok Road, not far from Khao San. I took a look at this tourist package that they had for me (which included a trip to Chiang Mai, Phuket, and Phi Phi). The T.A.T had said that prices on trips to Chiang Mai were typically around 27,000 baht. The whole package this World Federal Travel tried to sell me came about to just over that. It sounded a bit expensive, but considering everything that was laid out, I thought I might as well shell out the cash and try to enjoy myself. 

As it turns out, my bank card wasn't working at the time. I was then told I could make a "deposit" to hold my spot. I made a 400 USD deposit which I knew I shouldn't have done, but at this point I had every intention of going on this little packaged trip and figured it really couldn't hurt. 

Well, as it turns out, I had less money back home than I had realized due to some outstanding bills I hadn't accounted for and just decided that paying for the whole planned trip was too much and it'd be better to just find what I want on my own. Well, as you can probably already guess, the money I had given them upfront wasn't treated as a deposit despite the fact that it says "deposit" and I was told any kind of refund was impossible when a I went to speak with them a couple days later. Now, this is bad enough but it's something I should expect for being reckless with my money in a foreign country. What happened next is I guess the main reason I'm writing you. 

The manager whom I spoke to on two separate occasions was very peevish and condescending toward me about the whole thing. Even going as far as to call me names and accuse me of doing things that I wasn't doing (such as yelling). I may be dumb with my money, but I'm sensible enough to know that yelling in my situation won't help. Attempted reasoning was really something the man had distain for and outwardly showed to me in ways that left me dumbfounded such as yelling and name-calling. He was determined to call the shots with my own money.  Now, I have given this man 400 USD and he says I *must* book something. I have no choice and there is nothing I can do. So, after going back and forth, he says if I don't book something right now at the very moment I'm talking to him that he will give me nothing for my money and just simply throw me out of his office. So I end up telling him something out of fear of losing my entire deposit. I tell him I just want to go to Phuket.

He only gives me three days in Phuket but insists the hotel I'm staying at is a "good hotel". Yeah, whatever. I asked to see further information or perhaps other hotel options to which he flat out refuses. So, I get this three day thing to Phuket and of course return to my hotel in Khao San to research the hotel further only to find that the price of the hotel only costs about 1,000 baht a night. It doesn't appear to be that close to the beach, either. It's a big joke. 

So, for approximately 13,600 baht (I think my math's right), I get a maybe a 3,600 baht value. I understand he has to hike up the prices a bit for his "services," but for them to just make off that much of my money as a licensed business really has put a sour taste in my mouth. 

I tried going to both the T.A.T and the Office of Tourism Development (who didn't seem to have a decent English speaker in the office so conveying the exact nature of the situation proved impossible).  Neither proved effective and I really didn't expect that there was much they could do or else this guy at World Federal Travel wouldn't act the way he did in the first place.

I'm writing at the very least to warn people to even be weary of licensed tour businesses in Thailand. From what I've seen, that license is a pure joke. I really am embarassed I even allowed myself to be put in this situation. As I said, I thought they were closely affiliated with the T.A.T and thus thought my money was safe. I was dead wrong.

P.S. 

Does anyone at your website know of any other resource through which I can report this business to and at the very least give some bad marks about World Federal Travel to some Thai tourist officials. I still haven't taken the planned trip to Phuket that they "set me up" with. Any information on how I can damage this guy's reputation while I'm still on holiday in Thailand would be much appreicated. Thank you for your time. 

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written by Mikey, Tue 21 Apr 2009 22:51:30 CDT
JOE:

post the same info on ripoff report.com, it is checked world wide for key words like thailand, phuket and so on.

give them all the bad exposure you can
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written by Sammie, Wed 22 Apr 2009 02:01:30 CDT
To be frank, I would give most of these travel agencies a "wide berth" and particularly down K/san road. Prob better to get ripped off slightly in a 3/4 star hotel but at least your complaints would be quite off putting to other farang!
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written by pighoglet, Wed 22 Apr 2009 04:18:29 CDT
Sometimes Thais like to haggle over the price of things and will set it artificially high especially if they are mis-informed that all farangs are multi-millionaires with the income levels of hollywood film stars, for instance starting out at double what it should be.

Do your research beforehand and try and bargain down to what you feel is right to pay. You could get a bargain and importantly you wont get ripped off.

This isnt being a cheapskate its getting value for your money and in many cases its the expected practice.
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written by pighoglet, Wed 22 Apr 2009 04:22:20 CDT
Whilst bargaining if your trader is in good spirits, smiling and saying "mai dai" then the deal is probably real and hes trying to get down to a agreeable price.

If he is aggressive and rude from the outset hes a scammer and you should be prepared to walk away before it gets nasty.

The idiots make themselves known by their behaviour.
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written by Jessie, Wed 02 Sep 2009 05:09:33 CDT

Yep, I had the same sort of problem with this company last month.

They charged me roughly double what it should have cost to do chiang mai, ko samui and ko pangnan. Thank god I only booked two weeks with them!
To be fair, I should have known that the price was way too high but the guy was so convincing and everything just happened so fast! He did lie about qute a few things, like the quality of the hotel rooms and the exact locations of some of the hostels. But it could have been much much worse. We got everything that he promised even if it wasn't up to the standard he told us when he sold it.

Lesson learn't , never trust anyone in a travel agent especially when they're linked to koh san road!
Everyone I met who booked stuff with this company is scammed i'm not sure how they're getting away with it tbh.

Jess
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written by Oscar, Sat 19 Sep 2009 04:02:40 CDT
We stumbled upon them without any intention of using a travel agent, scoped it out, and decided that while, sure, they're probably more expensive then doing it on your own, they promise seamless segues in the form of transportation links. Guess what? That's exactly what we got. We had drivers and taxis there waiting for us at the start of each connection from airport to guest house or bus to boat. We had nothing but an excellent experience, and translating the cost from Bhats to dollars, $15-$20 more per day pales in comparison with the hassles of scam tuk-tuks and taxis.

As to the original "complainer", he realized that he should never have put $400 dollars down without being pretty damn sure, but what he points out as his principle complaint is his apparent unawareness of and sensitivity to that part of Southeast Asia's cultural differences and how the Thai people may perceive or react to people, especially foreigners, being demonstrative. What they might consider "yelling" along with body language, to us may be just slightly raising your voice. Our experience throughout Thailand and Cambodia was that natives never raised their voice, and in a crazy city of cars, moto's, taxis, tuk-tuks weaving crazily in and out and creating extra lanes where none exist, no one blares their horn, only brief toots to make others aware to make space. Whatever. This company treated us very well before and during, and we an excellent experience.
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written by Kors, Thu 26 Nov 2009 16:47:18 CST
WFT is really an organisation that has ripped me off. They misuse the name of T.A.T.. They say they are acting on behalve of T.A.T. and that gives you the impression that it is a good organisation. They also use the trick of a tuck tuck driver that brengs you for BTH 10-20 to a temple. The visit to he temple is free of charge because of a celebration day of Buddha. The tuck tuck driver gets money from the government. After visiting the temple they will bring you everywhere you want to go free of charge. In the temple you meet a nice man, in our case coming from Singapore,he said, who is interested in your plans of travelling in Thailand. Then he says that he travelled a lot in Thailand and that he always let T.A.T. arrange his trips. He also did so yesterday, he said, and he got a discount of 30 % because of the festival day of Buddha. This guy looks very independent, so you think that it is a good advise. Then the tuck tuck brings you to WFT. In this office is also a man , that seems to be very nice, called Johny, who is telling you to arrange everything for you for a very good price. We wished to visit some islands in the south of Thailand. We went to Krabi and afterworths Ko Lanta, Ko Phi Phi, Ko Samui,Ko Phanang and Ko Tao. We booked accommodation for 22 nights. The price per night was BTH 2.500. Johni showed us pictures of all the accommodation that looked very good. When we arrived the quality of the accommodation was very low, or they gave us the worst room available in stead of the best room. The managers of the accommodation said that they received money for the quality we got. Of course it is my own fault that did not had a specification of the costs of the whole trip. But the quality was so low according to the price that I paid, that I really have been cheated bij WFT. I paid I think BTH 37.000 to much of 22 days. This is no fair business but cheating. During our trip I met a lot of other people who has been chated more or less the same way. The police or the government of Thailand should doe something about this.
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written by Khun Tom, Thu 26 Nov 2009 17:24:58 CST
Most of these scam places are run by police.
That's why they are so arrogant.
Shameless.

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written by Khun Krit, Thu 26 Nov 2009 21:33:06 CST
@Tom, the scams in Thailand are chicken feed, especially if compared to the likes of farang type scams like, Enron, Madoff, etc, etc.
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written by Shez, Sat 26 Dec 2009 01:05:28 CST
Yup got the exact same scam pulled this afternoon, right down to the guy from Singapore. we got stopped by an sweet old lady who offered to help us. it was all so fast! merry xmas have 30 per cent off. fools!
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written by Hidi Takahashi, Sun 10 Jan 2010 21:14:20 CST
phiphiaborealresort, you want free advert for your resort, the people like me will NEVER go to your resort because you is tight to pay for the proper ad on stickman site.
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written by Dave, Mon 11 Jan 2010 07:52:07 CST
Kors 26 Nov
The police probably own the places you stayed in. Once you paid your money you were going into the unknown
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written by Marie from Canada, Thu 14 Jan 2010 03:34:48 CST
The same thing happened to us. We arrived in Bangkok december the 5th (King birthday). The next day, we decide to visit the Grand Palace. On our way, we meet a nice man saying that he is working for T.A.T and he want to give us good advice. He mentionned that the Grand Palace was close until 13h because of a special pray for King's birthday. Then he proposed two nice temples and ask a tuk tuk to take us over there for free because of the festivities. At the second temple, an other man came to us saying that he is a university teacher. He explain that many crime happened in Thailand in the past years so the TAT want to make good price to have more visitor and have a better reputation. After, the tuk tuk driver took us to this travel agency...we needed airplane ticket to go to Chiang Mai so we decided to look for the price. During the discussion, I ask many times if the trip is refundable because we were metting a friend over there and we didn't know if he will agree to do this tour. He always say yes and even showed me on the map were was there agency in Chaing Mai (in fact, he show me the TAT office). He sayed that we could trust him because this agency was supervised by the gouvernement. We found that the price was expensive but we deal a lot so we finally thought it was a normal price. When we arrived in Chiang Mai, the hotel was lot cheaper than what we saw on the picture and the people over there were not nice. An other lady arrived in the same time than us with a voucher from this travel agency and she was upset too. We decided to ask for a refund but they didn't want and show me a little inscription in the bottom of the bill saying :No refund. It is strange but this part of the bill was fold...so it was not possible for me to see this inscription at the travel agency...We had to argue on the phone with the manager and he was laughing at me. We went to see TAT office and the police tourist but they couln't do anything for us.
It was a very bad experience and I don't recommend to visit Thailand. They always try to take our money, we have to argue all the time to pay reasonable price. Go to Cambodia. People are nice and true.
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written by Kai, Tue 02 Mar 2010 11:29:48 CST
Some people just have to learn the hard way. When you are in a country that doesn't have good laws to govern fair business practice, then do yourself a favor and carry some level of skepticism when doing business in that country....and would it kill you to do some research on the hotels they are setting you up with?
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written by phillipe, Tue 09 Mar 2010 23:27:45 CST
hello, me and my wife wanted to do some visiting and ended up in a tuk tuk that told us he would give us a circuit of a few temples for about 100 bht, we agreed and were taken to a buddhist temple that seemed questionable, in it we met a french guy who told us that this t.a.T world federal travel had given him a great deal and he always booked with them. He seemed a bit solitary but since we are french as well, we took his word for it. Next thing, tuk tuk took us there without us asking and we were taken on 50,000 bht one week scam to krabi, koh phi phi, ao nang & phuket.... the hotels were supposed to be a 5 star hotels they are not even 2, the rooms are terrible and we are stuck with a sour feeling. Why havent they done something about this one agency?
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written by rob lowe, Mon 15 Mar 2010 20:58:23 CDT
twats! I am so glad that I looked on the interenet and read these comments before i booked my trip. Same thing happened to us today. We were told by a thai man that we could get a free tourist map and information at a police center over the road. So naturally looking for more information on Bangkok, seeing as we had only arrived in Bangkok the day before and thinking that we could trust the police for reliable information went over to get our free map.
We got chatting to a man who seemed really nice and who gave us alot of information about scams in thailand and who gave us plenty of information about the area. When we asked about how to get to the grand palace he told us that it was shut and that we should go and see another temple, but that we should go to the TAT office to see about trustworthey tours through thailand. Before we knew we were in a tuk tuk and inside the TAT centre discussing trips to chang mai. Our trip came to 18,000 BHT for two of us but it all seemed too good to be true.
So so glad I came on the internet to research this before hand, can not believe we were in the same office as the one that is mentioned on here!!! This should be highlighted big time, especially if it is conjunction with the police, this is outrageous !!!!!!
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written by Brad Pity, Mon 15 Mar 2010 21:21:06 CDT
@rob, are you an actor by any chance?
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written by an idiot, Sat 27 Mar 2010 10:45:11 CDT
i just got scammed, i want to kill myself. I don't know what's happened, but today me and my girlfriend are going on a three week trip with these fuckers. We paid 49,500 for god knows what, about 580 euro each. I have so much to say:

first, i told myself trust noone in Thailand. I heard of the gem scams and the like, and had read that noone helps you here for no good reason. NOONE. NOONE.


Second, we were outside the police station beside ko san rd, and we got dragged in to the information centre. Sure i said 'here is safer than some place on the street' and was helpde by a man named mon. he had crap english but was remarkably friendly. Again, we were in the fucking police station.

Thirdly, and i guess this relieves me of my harboured guilt, he mentios the riots (after finding out we had just arrived, naturally - they do love knowing everyhting these people) So we said 'fuck it, lets go elsewhere and come back to bakgkok in a month or so'

Fourthly (i'm stuck with this format now) we were advised get out of bangkok, to natuarally beware of the scammers, so he gets us a tuk tuk, flaged down (what a system) and tells us to go to the TAT office for proper information. OK, sure. GOD< how outrageously friendly. Na, nothing dodgy at all about this.

We have a great ride to the office (overwhelmed by excitment and the sense of adventure)

Next the pain begins:

As soon as we went in we were led as if by god or something to a free desk. it was likea vaccum, with the Lisa there alert and somehow just knowing (without asking us anything) exactly what we wanted to hear.There were at least three other groups of tourists in there. My gut says '' funny how that was SO seamless'' but i proceed anyway, sure i never get scammed....

As they know we think they are an (or the) official TAT office, they plan out a three week itinerary. I am relieved. How nice the thails have a place to help pople get around and (yes, i said it) avoid being scammed. And all for the good of us helpless tourists. Such nice people. to do that.

For some reason i lost, i actually lost, my inherent(an a touch wankish) nature of asking for all information about everything, and became a puppy, intregued by the wonderful lisa, a chatty thai-chinese lady with good english. I know how incredibly stupid i am but i thought it was all legit.

simple formula: police information protecting citizens (demonstrations and riots) advice (TAT) and TUK to TAT office = soul destroying scam.

I estimate we paid at least 50-60 percent more than we needed, not to mention being fuckin stuck with this trip itinerary. there is actually more but i can't speak of it anymore.

well, it all begins today, christ, As soon as i left the office i knew i was scammed, and even going into the office i knew the slightest thing was amiss.

Don't hate me, i was played by an excellent swindle, a ''scam'' is probably worse, seeing as we will get a shit, budget version of a luxury priced trip. They specialise in misinformation.

I hope it will be adequate. but it will be shit, I know. I am an idiot but when police are involved it is harder to spot the holes (though they are there if you care to see them).the biggest hole being me handing over 49,500 bath to a person when an hour before i was getting a cocktail!

In a few months this will make a good story
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written by soso, Wed 25 Aug 2010 01:22:55 CDT
its real
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written by soso, Wed 25 Aug 2010 01:23:37 CDT
you dont do that
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written by Tourist info, Sun 29 Aug 2010 15:47:13 CDT
Be aware all tat travel agency
unseentravel
tongchai tour
world federal
suvannapumi travel
k&j tour

they all scam !

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