scam

scam

touristpolice
Tourist Police Telephone 1155
Please report all your scams while on holiday in Thailand. 
b_thailandqaforums

Latest Comments

James Fashion Taylor Scam
first tip off it mite be a scam is they ask when you are leaving thailand. if ...
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
"drilled by the Phuket police" probably being shook down for more tea money
Patpong Sex Show Scam
mikey, thats what I wonder too, anyway I go to bangkok in december and will wat...
James Fashion Taylor Scam
Something funny is going on with this shop. I went to get a second fitting on t...
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
I see the Phuket Timeshare companies are getting drilled by the Phuket police......
Yindee Lapidary Scam
what is the email of mr suchat? i am going back this saturday to get a refund as...
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
No prison for me as I do not commit criminal acts. Can you honestly state the s...
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
Been there before have you (Thai Prison)????
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
Hey Jimmy, It's time to start looking over your shoulder. Thai prisons are NOT N...
Holiday Club Scams in Phuket
Look here: http://www.timesharepages.com/world-news/asia/british-ceo-arrested-in...

Disclaimer: The comments on this website do not necessarily match the views of the administrators. Slanderous and unfounded comments are not welcome. We reserve the right to delete comments and not publish content submitted by visitors. We log and keep all ip addresses and website activity for a period of 365 days.

NOTE: We reserve the right to delete all of-topic comments on this page. All ip addresses are logged for every comment. We will co-operate full with the Royal Thai police against anyone that makes racist or slanderous comments. Under Thai law, maximum prison sentence is five years. It doesn't matter if you are not in Thailand at the time you wrote the comment. You will be arrested when you come here for your next holiday.

The Great Tuk-Tuk Scam!
Tuesday, 10 April 2007

After, having talked about the idea for ages and ages, myself and the Webmaster Mr Richard finally got round to seeing for ourselves first-hand just how the cheapo Bangkok Tuk-Tuk scam works.

Up early, adorning the most touristy-looking set of clothing, cap and sunglasses that I could find in my wardrobe, I went to meet Richard before the scam-baiting and discuss our plans. Both of us, having lived in Thailand for donkeys years had read and heard so much about the supposed 10Baht Tuk-Tuk, that it was certainly time to get scammed deliberately just to see how it was for the average unassuming tourist/backpacker.

Parking the car near Pinklao Bridge, the first destination of the day was….of course….the epicenter of ‘scamming the naïve tourist’ – The Grand Palace. Alas though, after having walked just 50 meters from the car carrying a Lonely Planet map, pretending we were lost and didn’t speak a word of Thai, we were approached by a young burly looking guy, politely offering advice on sightseeing. And, before we could hardly mutter a word, he was suggesting a tour of the Big Buddha temple, the Lucky Buddha temple and fortunately, by complete chance – a government fashion shop was holding a grand Thai New Year sale which…..wasn’t to be missed! Just as he was explaining that a Tuk-Tuk ride would cost an unbelievably cheap 10Baht, we were once again granted heavenly luck when a cheerful-looking Tuk-Tuk driver appeared from absolutely nowhere. Such incredible co-incidence!

Getting out a pen and paper (every darned scammer asked us for a piece of paper to write on!) he wrote down the itinerary:
11am - Go see Big Buddha
12 o’clock – Get the good luck; visit Lucky Buddha
1pm – Take photo Marble Temple (Richard and I turned this one down)
1:30pm – Shopping at groovy Government fashion shop

Now, what the heck was this Big Buddha and Lucky Buddha?! Once whisked away, we soon realized that our Tuk-Tuk hardly spoke a word of English besides “Very good shopping fashion shop, special price for you” and “You want massage sexy girl?” Arriving at the first spot, we realized that The Big Buddha was in fact Intaram Temple in the Dusit area. Walking around, Richard took the cheap opportunity to snap loadsa pics and we noticed dozens of other tourists who had also arrived in a scammy Tuk-Tuk. Giving him his dues though, the Tuk-Tuk was cheerful friendly guy.

On asking why the fare was so cheap, all the Tuk-Tuk drivers reply “If you go to look Fashion Shop 5 minutes I get free petrol coupons”. This is absolute nonsense! As they do in fact get 200baht commission, regardless to whether you buy or not. To add more to this complete lies, our Tuk-Tuk guy even showed us a corny counterfeit coupon – with Esso printed on it! Laughable.

So, our next stop was The Lucky Buddha Temple (aka: Sitiram Temple, near Ratchadamnoern Road) which Richard was quite chuffed about as he had always wanted to visit. Just as he was taking some pictures, a shabby-looking guy came up to us and said “You no take photo”. Now, this guy was pretty rude and when we protested he pointed to a sign in Thai language about ‘Buddhism’, and lying through his grimy teeth explained “This photo, say in Thai – can not take photo”. Next, he really flipped-out when Richard turned around and took a quick snap of the sign. Who the guy actually was we had no idea, but he was definitely a scammer of some kind. To add more to his lies he said “Foriegner can not photo because not Buddhist” and to top it off reckoned “You listen me, I am security guard”. Now this guy was speaking so much ‘bull’ that you could almost smell it on his breath!

Next destination was the wonderful government fashion shop. Of course, it was nothing of the sort, but instead a huge Indian run tailors. Richard pretended that he needed the toilet but instead went for a quick look around the back. As for me, I was lynched immediately but a couple of English-speaking Thai-Indians. On asking them whether the shop-gaff was government-run, he also lied “Oh yes, the government is giving the foreigner very special prices today”. Sat down, I was offered a coffee and handed a set of brochures full of corny pictures of models with their head and legs edited in wearing a Cashmere Suit – tacky Photo-Shop style.

Here, myself and Richard, kinda got our stories mixed-up! The Indian guy asked “Good Sir, I am wanting to know where you are going after Thailand” to which I replied “Mmmmm….. Singapore”.
“And where are you staying in Bangkok?” “Mmmmm….The Riverside Hotel”.
Next, I tried to say to the guy that I wasn’t interested but my friend in the toilet certainly was. Richard, when he finally got back immediately stated that he wasn’t interested! And to blow our undercover even more quickly, replied to the above same questions
“After Thailand, we’re going to Japan” and “Yes, we’re staying on Khao Sarn Road”. Nevermind, we soon headed for the door and back to our ever-smiling Tuk-Tuk.

As scammers always are, his faced soon dropped when we told him that we wanted to get back to The Grand Palace. He was insistent though, that we check out a Jewelry Store (again, friggin government owned!). Great, I had always wanted to be taken to a scammy Gem Shop. I was a little disappointed though, as this gaff did not look like one of those infamous gem scam stores which are always closing down (and opening up again) for ripping of tourists. In the car-park were tens of Tuk-Tuks, and we noticed a couple of foreigners arguing with their driver looking obviously cheesed-off like “I told you that I wanted to go to The Grand Palace”.

We were welcomed at the entranced by a couple of pretty promo girls who offered us a drink. Incredibly I saw a few foreigners in there drinking beer! So, the next time you fancy a tour of three temples and a free beer thrown-in, you know what to do! They gave us a guided tour of their small factory (which was quite interesting) before being taken into the main shopping hall. I had a good look at their rings, they were nice-like, but the prices weren’t that much different to what you find in Europe, I thought the place was real expensive for Thailand. Our guide was quite polite though and wasn’t that pushy. After telling her that we weren’t interested in buying she took as next door to a spacious gift shop full of overpriced souvenirs. After a quick browse, we fled the scene and the taxi driver agreed this time to take us directly to The Grand Palace.

Don't forget your map if you want to be scammed!

Strolling around The Grand Palace we were approached by swarms of scammy Tuk-Tuk drivers and their cronies offering trips to a couple of other temples and more darned government fashion shops and jewelry stores. Of course, even though we were just 100 meters from the entrance, they all claimed something along the lines of
“You go Grand Palace? Can not! Now, have a Buddhist ceremony, tourists can not go in, only Thai people. But open again 3 o’clock, I send you back here after you go with me”.
Again, all the scammers offered silly fares ranging between 5-40baht. I would guess however, that if you said “How about a trip for free” that they would agree.

These scammers claiming that the Emerald Buddha Temple and The Grand Palace are closed, when they are not, are in theory seriously breaking the law. These Tuk-Tuk scams have been going on for years and the government has never enforced any kind of severe crackdown. I advise that they do something right now, otherwise The Kingdom will continually lose floods of potential tourists.

And finally, all the foreigners suck-up to the scammers about receiving petrol coupons for taking them to such stores. That is complete quack-wack - help to spread the truth! They get cash!

Comments (97)Add Comment
...
written by jason phillips, Mon 28 May 2007 23:01:56 CDT
excellent article thanks for the advice...
...
written by Sam, Tue 29 May 2007 18:01:04 CDT
nice job
...
written by The Culinary Chase, Tue 18 Sep 2007 13:27:36 CDT
Good article & so true! We were kicked off a truck (looked like an open air bus!) when we were in Phuket town (a few years ago) as we didn't want to go to their shops enroute to our destination. The guy wasn't pleased but we were just thankful to get off. Never again! And, it really left a bad taste in our mouths about the area.
...
written by mike, NSW, Thu 25 Oct 2007 20:17:15 CDT
Well done, your article is very true and very well known too. Atleast to all those who are not visiting Bangkok for the first time. But let me correct you, The photograph of the tailor shop that you took does not actually belongs to an indian but to a thai man, who actually hires the indians to work for him as indians are excellent in clothing and textiles business.
...
written by seanus, Wed 21 Nov 2007 18:24:20 CST
I am grateful to the guys for writing this - It is true that "the foreigners suck-up to the scammers" - I did - I thought I was doing a good deed! Never again! Bangkok is a great city, and I love it. but you have to be so wary of everyone as we are simply seen as "rich farang", which I certainly am not!
...
written by Darren Connor, Mon 07 Jan 2008 06:12:18 CST
next time you are in bangkok actually have a real good look round.That tuk tuk driver maybe has a family to support and thailand has mass unemployment.You are both a pair of snobs,no real harm was done was it?
What do you think travelling is for?
...
written by Pat Mabum, Wed 09 Jan 2008 19:44:47 CST
Darren, I think you miss the point, no one wants to be conned. And being ripped off and scammed is definently not what people travel for. If you think that the Tuk Tuk drivers need money then empty you bank account stand on Sukhumvit road and give it to them. Im sure there families will appreciate it:)
...
written by yeows, Mon 11 Feb 2008 15:47:46 CST
Well said, Pat. Earning honest money is fine but using unorthodox methods to make a dishonest living is not.
...
written by shadow, Sat 16 Feb 2008 16:47:38 CST
my brother and I had fun today getting to Khao San. travelling around to 2 tailor shops, a jewellery shop and and travel agent. 2 hour free tour around bangkok. originally 100 baht, 2 ppl, to Khao San. then it dropped to 50 baht "to see one more", then free for "one last one"! but again, a fully enjoyable trip. the tuk-tuk driver spoke very good english, showed us a pic on his phone of his 4 month old, and always smiling! of course i knew what i was in for, that what he said was probaby bullsh*t, the cheap price (comparitively to any other taxi [over] price [d] i've paid.
we also got the "petrol voucher" show, and just because we had time, we went along with it. DO NOT FEEL PRESSURED INTO ACTUALLY BUYING ANYTHING!
all in all, a free ride is a good ride ;)
...
written by Karen, Sun 24 Feb 2008 09:53:05 CST
Lol this actually happened to us in Thailand. We were lucky enough to find out about the scams through a taxi driver during our final days in Bangkok. We got the tourist police involved and got a full refund from the jewelry company (Pan-siamese Gem co./ Home factory)
Thailand is a great holiday destination, but my advice, be more aware of scammers and say no.
...
written by Bennyong.com, Tue 18 Mar 2008 23:07:32 CDT
That is exactly what happened to me in my trip to Bangkok a couple of days ago. I wish I would have read your blog sooner. Darn!
...
written by shawn, Sat 05 Apr 2008 14:52:42 CDT
actually my best friend and driver explained the whole breakdown to me years ago --- and if you know it you can get free rides . 200 - 300 baht in either petrol or cash for a silk shop , 250 baht for a silver shop , 350 baht cash for gem shop --- and the best is 500 baht for a carpet/rug shop . knowing this helps me to get around in thailand at the only expense of a few minutes in a shop . my ex gf , a thai , didnt know about this , so my friend drove us to a few places , made 1200 baht , and then took us to a very good resteraunt (local) and footed the bill . its all about give and take , just know what happens either point out you dont feel like going to a gem shop , or play the game and point out that sure ill go there , youll get paid and after that take me to my destination free or greatly reduced price .
...
written by Nio, Mon 05 May 2008 22:58:58 CDT
This is excellent. You are Richard should partake in more actual investigations of scams and let everyone know what is going on. Even after living here for years, I still get a good crack every time I to go the Grand Palace. I let them ramble on and on and on. Then speak in Thai that I have been here for years and that usually just pisses them off so much they go away.

This would make a hell of a reality TV show or some really cool You Tube Videos!
...
written by Jae, Mon 19 May 2008 02:11:17 CDT
Aww... this reminds me of my first trip to Bangkok when some tuk tuk scammers tried to persuade us the Grand Palace was closed due to Coronation day (sadly for them I actually went and watched part of the coronation celebrations the week before!) whilst a soldier looked on bemused... Bless them all for trying!!
...
written by Raphael&Annie, Tue 20 May 2008 23:13:20 CDT
Great, we had exactly the same story. However, we noticed the scam after visiting the 2rd temple at the firat day, but we were so curious about it. It was the same at the 2rd day. Now after read all the others, it's cleared that we've been scammed. Well, there was no harm of it, but won't give them the chance next time. Thai Boxing and the nearby Night Bazzar was wonderful.
...
written by Rene, Sat 14 Jun 2008 11:52:56 CDT
Pat, I raise both hands n agree with u!!
Darren, u should empty yr bank accounts n give it 2 all e scammers since they have families to support!
Haha...
...
written by john, Wed 02 Jul 2008 13:12:07 CDT
i was scammed going to the emerald budda by these guys the first time in BKK i got close to the entrance and was approached by a guy claiming that the temple was closed for Thai ceremony and only Thai people could go in, BUT he could show me another bigger and better budda and also see the river canals or some thing like that. i went with them to a tuk tuk that was close by now this guy could speak perfect English and came across evry helpfull about. but in saying so i fugured somthing wasnt right about 20 mins after getting in to the tuk tuk and asked him to take me to Mc Donalds so i could eat some thing, we argued for a while and while arguing we passed a few Mcdonalds and i asked him to stop he said cant police will fine me . so he seemed to agree to take me to the next one, we got to this place looked really dodgey and he said Tuk Tuk Cant go traffic this that. sent me on my way and realised i was in a slum Tuk TUk was no where to be seen and i was there with about 100 beggers asking me for cash...
...
written by Rene, Tue 22 Jul 2008 11:17:43 CDT
I m flying to BKK in 3 days time. I have been there many times n really enjoyed taking TukTuk. But I guess its better to take at nite when the jewellery n tailor shops r closed so that they cant press me to go anywhere. I wont take in the evening too coz I'm sure I will be taken to a resturant which I ever encountered before.
But thank God e restaurant I went to wasn't that expensive, around S'pore (zhu chao) price...
So excited abt my trip!
...
written by Bill, Fri 15 Aug 2008 03:40:05 CDT
Yep, this happened to me when I was there in July. And I, too, paid my driver more than the 10 baht he charged. Got a great tour of the city for a couple of hours, but what a cheap way to see the old city, and my driver was very accommodating. He waited for me at all the tourist spots I wanted to visit. He tried to take me to a gem shop, which I adamantly refused to go into, and he acquiesced. He did take me to a fabric store, where I got some great silk for my wife at a little less than what I would have paid for it in the U.S. Most interesting was when he took me to a gift store, run by an Indian. After a couple minutes, it was clear to me that everything was way overpriced. When I politely refused his merchandise, he got indignant, saying Americans just don't buy anything anymore -- that our economy must be pretty bad. I tried to explain that he didn't have anything I wanted (toys in this case) and that I didn't need anything that he had. But he just couldn't believe that a Westerner wouldn't want to buy any of his stuff. Clearly, he needed some basic instruction on supply and demand. Also made a stop at a tailor, but again, everything was overpriced. (Mind you, I was actually looking for things to buy on my one free day.) They weren't too happy that I wasn't interested. But my trusty tuk-tuk driver was there waiting and we continued on to see the sights. All in all, maybe an hour spent at the various shops and two and a half getting to see the places I wanted to see -- for only 100 baht. I just wish I'd been smart enough to know that it was all a scam. For all that, why not just advertise it for what it is -- an inexpensive shopping tour? If only the Thais put that much energy into developing a transportation infrastructure that actually makes it easy for people to get to the old city.
...
written by Ned, Sat 23 Aug 2008 06:32:53 CDT
Haha - On my first trip to Thailand a long time ago I went to the grand palace and there were thousands of Thais lining the roads. I was told that it was closed.

I wasn't being scammed though, within about 10-15 minutes of arriving a motorcade came down the street and you could see a 'wave' of wai's travelling down the road at the same speed of the motorcade as the King was riven by.

His mother had died a day or two before and apparently he was visiting her lying in state. This was about 13-14 years ago. Only Thais were allowed in for several days, I never did get to see it at that point.

Also most of the bars closed for three days !
...
written by sele, Sat 30 Aug 2008 11:37:01 CDT
hi, just want to share our experience last 8/18. we went first to wat taimit (golden buddha) by taxi. then while browsing the map for our next temple destination , an old man from tian hua hospital crossed the street and approached us. we are just happy to hear that he can speak english. told him that we want to go to wat po and emerald buddha but since they are closed by 5pm (according to my research in the net), we just want to go to wat ratchabophit. then he wrote in a piece of paper the name of the temple in thai words, then also suggested that we go to a jewelry store and mentioned something about export, and also suggested that we take tuk-tuk coz its much cheaper than taxi and when we ask how much shall it cost us he wrote 40 baht. so we take a tuk-tuk near tian hua. he spoke with the driver too bad we dont understand a thing. off we go to 'wat ratchabopit'. we are just so happy to take pictures inside and just grateful that the driver will wait for us. then inside the temple, were we were allowed to sit only, a man was already sitted. he was cheerful and chatted with us. told us he works in London and tonight is his flight and he visited the temple for good luck. asked us how we got there so we told him our story and showed him the paper. then coincidentally, told the same about the jewelry store were he bought his and mentioned about govt tax, show us how it is done, export thing, and even gives certificate. wow he was even eager to show us his certificate. so we were quite grateful for the info and really believed him. after taking pictures in front of the buddha, we went to Pan- siamese gems co. ltd. we did not buy gems for they cost high besides what we wanted to buy were gold jewelry. in short, 3 of us were able to buy from the store using our cards. i bought a silver ring for 1200 baht (it was costly but i thought it really is since it was heavy and 92.5 as carved but no certificate given) and a pendant for 2000 baht, w/ certificate. we're just too amazed that the certifcate shows a scanned copy of what we bought. next stop was the marble temple. then i told the driver to take us to the giant swing so we can take pictures during the night but he said no and i dont understand his reasons so we just asked him to take us to suan lum bazaar he also refused and said that we go by subway at hualampong, much faster. so we paid him 120 baht at hualampong. he charged us 100 only but gave him a tip for we thought it was a cheap ride compared to taking a taxi.
right now, im searching for the name of the temple since wat ratchabophit did not show any resemblance of that of our pictures. trying to think of clues that may lead me to the temple's name, i searched pan-siamese and first sites i saw where scam-scam. OH NO!

so this is my story. i just cant believed we were scammed. just really thought they were too hospitable to guide us. but then, we enjoyed our stay so charged to experience ^_^ next time, really have to search for more travel tips from the net and not just concentrate on 'where to go to' tips
...
written by Avaya, Thu 11 Sep 2008 18:23:29 CDT
Exactly same thing happenned to us as well. Thai tourism should punish these people.
Thanks to blogs. Atleast some people come to know. The others who never read the net, will be mighty happy about their purchase... Ignorance is bliss.
...
written by Kriss, Mon 15 Sep 2008 21:22:19 CDT
i just got back from Bangkok yesterday,i wished i had read this site before going( pulling my hair)i learned something from my virgin trip there thought besides being ripped off.
1)always make plan where to go before leaving the room.
2)always say you've been to the country countless times
3)smile even when you feel agitated by ppl trying to scam you.
(FYI me and my friend,we're both ladies in our early 20s were kinda intimidated by the men there)
4)take a meter taxi (always ask to go by meter before getting in)
5)tuk tuk's are antiques so they charge more and they lead to other stuff jewellry shop,special temple,extremely expensive restaurants and yes we were some off the ppl who got ripped.we only wish others read up on this before travelling there.
...
written by CM, Thu 25 Sep 2008 17:41:55 CDT
Gah!! I just came back from my Bangkok trip and this EXACT thing happened to me!!

To all those people who are condemning the writer of this article for being preachy, well, I DO NOT appreciate the fact that I was lied to about the Wat Pho temple being closed for whatever reasons and was "only opened at 4pm" (it was only 1.30pm at the time. )

It was my last day there and my time was really short and there were places I wanted to go to, not least to try out the Thai massage which I didn't get to do in the end because of the ***** tuk tuk lying git. However, the driver lied about the temple being closed and it didn't occur to my girlfriend and I that it could be a scam.

Instead, we were charged 60 baht to go to the Giant Buddha temple and then to 5 jewelry shops/tailors which are selling goods at way higher prices than other places. It's a FACT that these places sell overpriced goods and prey on tourists. I know this from my previous trips to Phuket and Vietnam.

The attendants at these shops are very money-minded and the moment they sense that you're not going to buy anything, they will rudely shoo you away (not a bad thing anyway, we weren't keen on staying). We asked the driver to bring us back to the Wat Pho temple, but he was adamant we follow the routes, bringing out the free petrol bullshit which we knew was rubbish but patronized him anyway because we didn't want to be stranded.

In the end, we wasted about 2 hours stuck in jams and going around "Thai fair" shops and being rudely spoken to and our plans for the day was ruined. The driver even had the nerve to ask for 600 baht for "touring fees". We angrily told him off and gave him 60 baht in the end as it was the initial price we agreed on for the trip from the Grand Palace to the Wat Pho temple and even that was a rip-off as the distance was only 5 minutes by foot!

I'm disgusted. Absolutely disgusted.


Wish I'd read this sooner....

...
written by Bangkok Bill, Mon 29 Sep 2008 08:19:24 CDT
One slow Sunday I was walking about and a Tuk driver I have known a long time saw me and said "get in".I jumped in and he took me "shopping".We toured the shops where he gets something for taking a tourist there.I would act dumb and interested,in the gold shops I would tell them I am in a hurry and going to the airport and want a 25 baht pure gold chain,very hard to get since they don't usually have one .One shop had one and I told them I didn't like the design.The tailor shops I always asked for a card and said I will be back.The gem shops were a lot of fun since I know they are trying to cheat me.We hit about 6 shops and he got all kinds of perks .I thought it was funny a Thai and a Farang cheating Thai's .
...
written by Ben, Sun 26 Oct 2008 14:34:38 CDT
Just arrived from BKK last night! :) haha. We're also a victim of that BAD tuktuk drivers, at our 4th stop, they just left us! haha.
...
written by PS, Thu 30 Oct 2008 05:57:43 CDT
It's all part of the fun! Just know what you want to do and where you want to go and insist on it...and pay the driver enough, so that he doesn't need to scam. That worked for me. 1,000 baht for a few hours sightseeing is pretty good value.
...
written by Tourist, Thu 30 Oct 2008 06:22:01 CDT
Good value?
1000thb is 5 days wages for hard labor.
...
written by Theo, Fri 31 Oct 2008 11:33:11 CDT
Well at least he will be of the street for the next five days. Because now he has enough cash to drink Lao Khao. There is a good side on everything
...
written by Brian, Wed 12 Nov 2008 17:11:02 CST
Just returned from bangkok I asked tuk tuk drivers all along Sukhumvit rd, to take me to Grand palace, everyone said it was closed and we could go elsewhere and had to make 2 stops.

I knew it was a scam as I am a regular in Thailand. I will never use tuk tuks again.
...
written by Richie, Wed 12 Nov 2008 20:34:58 CST
Please beware of tuk-tuk touts around the mbk shopping centre, they tend to hang around on the road side where some customers go outside to smoke. There are signs saying no taxi pick up and for most of the perimeter a barrier. Do not be tempted to go with one of these tuk tuk drivers because 9 times out of 10 its the same old jewellery scam so often talked about on this site. The official taxi rank is on other side of the building off the road and remember to ask for taxi meter.

Incidentally MBK has a large sign outside warning tourists of scams, drugged food and drink, tuk tuks etc. but tuk tuk touts will continue to slow down if they are moving anywhere around MBK if they spot a farang and count on you having not seen the sign, being lost etc etc.

Plenty of good cheap taxis with meters and willing drivers , why take a tuk tuk with all that pollution and discomfort. Also for farangs tuk tuks always seem a more expensive option that air con taxis due to the fact you have to haggle and negotiate a price. Why bother?
...
written by Dimond in the Rough, Sun 16 Nov 2008 21:35:33 CST
Guys i have 1 nice story to share.

I stayed in bangkok and out the frot was Taxi Mafia....

i met a guy out the front of my hotel early in the morning when i was having a cigarette and he was around these othere taxi drivers i was chating to and laughing to i had ben to BKK before and knew not to trust them. i liked just mucking around talking crap to them ....then he pulled me aside and said for me not to show my thai amulet to these thugs....(amulet was a gift from a thai friend in aussie).. i was like why and one of the other drivers came over and stoped talking to me i caught on and played along and was like so wheres the Palace.. when the other driver went away.... he said these people are very bad do not trust them,,,, i was skeptikal on him seeing he to was out the front of my hotel such a early time.... but i walked with him and went to 7 11 got a drink he asked him about some things i could do with my girlfriend....

at first when using his taxi i was not kind because of to many scams i didnt trust him at first. and asked use the taxi meter do this bla blaa it all changed as he stuck to his word always.

Now this guy was amazing...

he showed us a side of BKK that was unseen he knew where to take us.. to make it enjoyable he speaks english and is totaly honest.. he would take my girlfriend and i far out of BKK to see things 3 to5 hours out full day tours we would go off and come back and he would be in his car sleep.or waiting for us out where he arranged with me. he never asked for money he always said if you happy iam happy i didnt know what to pay him he took us on whole day tours in to the mountains and to tourist attractions... and i was always asking how much do you want and he conyinued to say for the week that i had used him if you happy iam happy... now we payed him well at the end of our trip our first time in BKK was a nightmare this time was unbelivable i cant explain everything about what happend but 1 true thai taxi driver. also to add i had a good friend of mine stop over in BKK on his way back from amsterdamn. i gave the contact of this guy and he called him i said trust me you opnly have 10 hours first time in Thailand call this guy.. now he did and he met him at the airport took my frind to MBK and walked with him took him to what things my friend wanted and stayed with him the whole 9 hours and took him back in time for his flight.if my friend had never knew anyone he would have been lucky to find a shopping place. this taxi guy did everything and even helped barter prices down with him.....

theres alot i can say here but yes i was amazed that we met a really honest taxi driver..
...
written by instarx, Thu 20 Nov 2008 19:40:08 CST
And what exactly is the difference between gas coupons and cash? Why is one bad and the other OK? The driver admitted he was getting a kickback of some sort from the stores - so where is the scam? I went through the tuk-tuk tour of tourist junk stores and it is one of my fun memories of my first trip to Bangkok.

So you guys are real investigative muckrakers. I have to laugh.
...
written by instarx, Thu 20 Nov 2008 19:55:37 CST
CM - You went to FIVE tourist shops after visiting a temple? WHY? And it cost you a huge 2USD? Call the FBI!

You were in middle of Bangkok! Why didn't you just walk to the street and get another tuk-tuk or a taxi? It's not like you were in the middle of the Sahara!

So now you are ENRAGED at the Thais!? Some people deserve to be taken to five tourist shops.
...
written by instarx, Thu 20 Nov 2008 20:12:19 CST
Why are people calling this a scam? This is a business arrangement, not a scam. The driver tells you up front that you have to go to two or three shops, that he gets a fee, and you get taken to your temple and a very colorful tuk-tuk ride along the very alive streets of Bangkok...all for 2 or 3 dollars. You don't have to buy anything at the shops, there are no extra charges. That's not a scam.
...
written by Theo, Thu 20 Nov 2008 21:11:15 CST
For two or three dollars? Expensive. 20 bath or nothing at all and one shop, no more than one. He gets 200 hundred bath for every shop you visit. Thats 600 bath. A farmhand in Thailand often makes no more than 200 bath a day for a long day of hard labor in the hot sun.
...
written by Theo, Thu 20 Nov 2008 22:03:03 CST
Besides now you become a scammer yourself mr. instarx, doing like you did. You let the gemshop pay for nothing and you waste their time!! They are human beings like you are!
...
written by instarx, Fri 21 Nov 2008 00:19:13 CST

The pay scales of farmhands in Thailand or goat-herds in Somalia has no bearing on what is cheap or expensive to westerners. It is the people HERE who are complaining, so let's use their pay scale to judge cheap or expensive, not a subsistence farmer in a developing country. BTW it's baht, not bath.
...
written by Theo, Fri 21 Nov 2008 04:15:13 CST
According to Thais I spoke we pay to much. The gave me advice. They say most farangs pay to much. Sometimes its difficult for them to get a Tuk Tuk.They say farangs make prices go up. They are all busy ripping of falangs. And of course local wages are related to prices. An oilsheik who pays a taxidriver 500 euros for aten minutes ride in Amsterdam is considered a fool. Not generous.
...
written by Theo, Fri 21 Nov 2008 04:25:18 CST
And baht or bath you find them both on internet exchangerates. Probably you dont know, but in Thailand, if they use our alfabeth its written once this way once that way. Look at thai lesson books. Words are written different in almost every book. I studied Thai for 5 years.But it doesnt matter anyway nothing to do with the discussion You will find more errors in my English. I speak usely Dutch
...
written by Theo, Fri 21 Nov 2008 16:17:47 CST
What so ever, if you like shopping tours go ahead. My wife here in Holland likes them too. Something typical female I guess. I hate it! Have fun!!
...
written by hal, Tue 13 Jan 2009 22:05:53 CST
I was just back they tired pulling that with me a man stopes me and told me the place I was going was shut and told me a few things I could go and c. I totally like this guy is at it but what the hell nect thing a tuc tuc comes tells me he can do it for 40 baht. Fine so I go ahead go to some not so good temple c that he is wasteing my time. Tell him to take me to where I wanted to go he said he wants me to go to the fashion shop, I told him that's nice but take me where I want to go I don't care if u get money to take me there u r wadteing my time. I was hot and botherved and I would of smacked the guy if he did not take me where I wanted to go. Don't waste my time!! I had things to do if I wanted to go and look at f ing gems I would go to Cartier!! Don't give your city a bad name and don't take me for a fool!!
...
written by Khun Issan, Wed 14 Jan 2009 03:45:49 CST
Lol Hal but did you enjoy your holiday lol
...
written by pighoglet, Wed 14 Jan 2009 05:05:48 CST
There are authorised Cartier branches in Emporium and Paragon shopping centres, they sell great quality gemstones at admittedly high prices.

People are deluding themselves if they think they can get amazing quality gem stones and jewellery at bargain prices without the qualtiy being compromised in some way. These quality gemstones are in fact incredibly rare and hard to mine, process and work into jewellery.

Sure the big names have their mark up. Buying stones on the recommendation of someone who approaches you in the street of a developing country is hardly going to lead to amazing bargains, reasonable bargains maybe 100 dollars for 150 dollars worth, but not change your life bargains.

If theres something you like, dont think about profit, being able to sell at Tiffany's etc because you will be dissapointed, buy because YOU like and YOU choose.

Bangkok, So many touts who are a pain in the a***, Be aware of anyone who seems overly friendly but dont let anything spoil your holiday.
...
written by pighoglet, Wed 14 Jan 2009 05:07:47 CST
..........and I mean nothing!!!!!!! Good luck to all readers :)
...
written by Khun Issan, Wed 14 Jan 2009 12:12:02 CST
thats true Pighoglet, but then even if you take your Tag Huer watch in for a change of battery, they try and scam you in the emporium by swopping it for a fake, luckily I took pictures of the watch and seriel numbers first, its tiresome to be constantly watching for the latest scam all the time.
...
written by pighoglet, Wed 14 Jan 2009 20:39:37 CST
Yes Khun Issan the Tag Huer battery change scenario certainly could happen., more likely to happen at MBK level than Emporium or Paragon I feel but sure it could happen by a disgruntled corrupt member of staff.

In line with the computer service staff that put in cheaper hard drives, computer components and take out the brand names for themselves, It is a place where you really have to think hard before parting with larges sums of money for things. Are they really that much cheaper than in the west considering warranties and after sales care (which can be a BIG headache in Bangkok)????

Most Thais are very honest, just a shame that the criminals give so many places a bad name. Doesnt stop me liking the place but it does increase my suspicion when Im out and about.
...
written by Khun Issan, Wed 14 Jan 2009 22:26:43 CST
pighoglet, i couldnt put it better myself, i totally agree with what you say, there are so many gorgeous thai people around, and the bad ones put the geuine ind people to shame...
...
written by ls, Wed 21 Jan 2009 17:26:01 CST
I just came back from BKK few days back. On my 2nd day, this Thai lady outside Pratunum Centre blocked us from crossing the road to Erawan Shrine, saying ".... closed cos cleaning", asking us to go Lucky Buddha temple, claiming that its better. My bf just shrugs and dragged me to cross the road. When we reached the shrine, its crowded and no one is mopping the floor. We didnt think much of it. On the 3rd day, outside Central World a Thai guy claiming to be a lawyer from the building approached us, asking where we are from, going where(we were going PLatinum), and claiming a Lucky Buddha temple will fufill all wishes and he kept on repeating himself...saying he's a lawyer, even showing us his work pass (of course its in Thai language so dont understand). Anyway he kept emphasizing on how accurate this LUcky Buddha is and open once a month cos its Buddha Day and all shops will be closed until 1 pm, after which a big sale wll happen). Suddenly a tuktuk came pass and without our acknowledgement, this guy ask the tuk tuk driver to bring us to the temple for 30 bhat and says to us not to give the driver more. When we reach the temple, there're no devotees but a few stray dogs and cats. After praying, the tuk tuk driver led us to an air conditioned room with a Chinese Thai man who speaks excellent English. This man showed us the address of Singapore devotees whose wish came true after praying to the orange-red sapphire Buddha. Even giving us the address of a Thai export co if we wish to buy the orange-red gem. At this point of time, me and bf still didnt think of it as a scam. When we left the room, the tuk tuk driver took a long trip to Platinum Mall, en-route stopping at a jewellry store which we believe is the export co. The driver even says no need to buy, just go in 1 min to see. Gosh, the stuff are so expensive. Luckily i dont have much cash on hand to buy anything and its freaking fugly. The sales girl emphasize that even Poh Heng, Lee Hwa and Poh Kong from Malaysia wil buy from them. BS.......Anyway i haven no intrst in anything, just thank the sales lady for the intro and left for our destination. Only in the evning i realised its a scam. and we encountered twice!!!!!! Damn those people,
...
written by Another Sucker, Wed 21 Jan 2009 17:59:56 CST
Just back from first family trip to Bangkok, and yes, us too!

It is the theft of our time that really gets me...........we spent thousands of dollars to get there, so each stolen hour was expensive, not just precious.
...
written by Claire Beavers, Thu 19 Feb 2009 16:45:12 CST
We got scammed yesterday, we sadly hadnt read about the scams before hand. We were really happy when a nice man came and seemed really excited to speak to us, then thought wow our lucky day, when he said Yellow Tuk Tuks had fuel discount from Government today. So we got in, there was no mention of any shops, just Big Budda, Marble Temple and Lucky Budda. What happened was there were plants in and around the temples who told us that we must go to this store! Sale on today only! It was very clever and very elaborate. We ended up paying alot of money for some suits, we were very upset when we realised and are embarressed that we got caught out. Dont trust strangers.
...
written by Julien, Wed 25 Feb 2009 16:37:01 CST
Same story wit two different ones,
The Tuk-Tuk told us the palace only open at 9am so we had time to visit other places and he would do it for 50Baht only, After 2 budha visits and one clothing shop he wanted to go to another clothing shop. After insisting on not wanting to go, he just stopped and say he could not go any further, dropped us, and took off!
TAXI-METER SCAM: Then we decided to go for a TAXI METER. They also try to scam you by saying, if there is some traffic on the street, that it would be long so they will charge a flat fee: 200 Baht. After bartering, the 3rd Taxi accepted to use the meter: course : 60 baht!
I think it is very deceiving as you try to trust people in a country where even basic reading is a challenge. As a tourist, you will be ripped off by overpriced tourist items. Travel agencies and tourist should let people kow about that at the airport at least!
...
written by alexander, Mon 02 Mar 2009 06:11:26 CST
Two years later and your days work still has great value for the reader. Amazing how many people do not prepare prior to leaving for their destination. Preparation is everything in my book. This does not immunize oneself from being scammed but it surely give the prepared traveler a real advantage. There is much avoidable pain and suffering for the tourist in sincere and curious preparation. Being farang in not a sentence, just a classification. Reading about your experience certainly seems to validate my contention. The Germans have an appropriate saying:" Vorbeugen ist besser als nachbeugen." Very loosely translated that means: Being prepared is better than damage control. Thanks again for helping those interested enough to do some research to get behind the traps that await the ignorant and I might add indifferent traveler.
...
written by alexander, Mon 02 Mar 2009 07:18:43 CST
Hal; Your funny! But you do point out in your own way that it' a scam when the driver tells you where to go or where he refuses to go. Bad business in my book. Its also a scam by def. if the "team" gets you to stores you had no interest in or that you had no idea about. A scam is a hustle and that's what it becomes when you are going places they lay out for you and not where you want to be driven. It's not their business to take you for a ride. They are there just to give you a ride and the price should not include mandatory side tracks to prearranged places that want your money. I think that is where "instarx" gets it wrong in his, her writing. If he, she decides to go for joy ride and does not care where it's going, then that's one way to see the city. But that is not what these comments are about. Being lied to and hustled to certain stores is not a"business arrangement" that is acceptable for foreigners. Or for locals for that matter. It really is a matter of ethical conduct that goes for any country I have been to or lived in. I have heard these "hustle stories" from Hoholulu to Mexico D.F.,from Vancouver to New York, from Amsterdam to Berlin, from Budapest to Palermo. Ad nauseum. And if the tourist want to be a "socialist softy" like myself then they can always drop some real extra money on the tuk tuk driver and "make his day!" And I most certainly do for good service rendered. That's not being scammed. That's a free choice experience. But the article by Admin and Richard are most valid and valuable. And those who chose to ignore their sound observations chose to hang their back side out to the wind. Anyway, tanks for the humor. Do appreciate it.
...
written by Adam Pritchard, Tue 17 Mar 2009 04:06:28 CDT
We partially fell for this scam today. Friends had previously told us about tuk-tuk drivers that offered ridiculously cheap rates for long city tours as long as you went to various jewellery shops, tailors, and tour operators and pretended to be interested.

To be honest, we were caught a little off guard by a guy who seemed to have nothing to do with a tuk-tuk as we were walking down the street. He just seemed to be walking along minding his own business whilst we were looking at a map, but he was onto us.

I've blogged in detail about what happened, take a look at http://www.twillet.com/2009/03/koh-samui-to-bangkok/ if you want to see all of the details of what happened.

Together, we can prevent people from falling for these terrible scams by raising public awareness via the Internet.

Well done on creating such a great site for travellers to refer to. I feel that I am so much more street wise now that I'm armed with the information you provide on your site.

Cheers!
...
written by Pallavi, Tue 24 Mar 2009 22:22:19 CDT
Hi,

I am too late in commenting because this incident happened to us an year ago when we went to Bangkok for our honeymoon.I bought a piece of jewelery worth 45000 baht after being led through the exact same series of events as listed in the website - going to kings palace - being told it was close - then being approached by a gentleman and being given directions - getting on a tuk tuk - a friendly english speaking thai guy approaching us at some buddha temple - being told to "invest" in saphire gems and sell it off at Tiffany's - and then finally landing up in a supposedly government owned gem shop! Gosh...i can't believe that I could have been tricked so well.
Thankfully, me and my husband recalled the series of event that led us to buying such expensive jewelery and next day we surfed the net and found out about the oldest gem scam in Thailand...
We had a flight to catch at 12 noon so we hurried to the tourist police next morning. The tourist police guy seemed to be familiar about the situation and told me that it was my fault to buy such expensive stuff.Inspite of being disgusted, i kept my cool and asked him to call up the shop manager and tell him to refund my money. I even filed an FIR that day and have a scanned copy of it with me.
Finally we went to the shop and argued with the manager and got a 90% refund.
Still this stupidy cost me INR 8,800 due to international transaction charges and 10 % which the shop did not return.
I had paid the money through HSBC credit card so I still wonder why does HSBC have an association with this "Golden Argosy shop".After coming back I even wrote a dispute letter to them asking them to discontinue their association with such scammers.
The thai government, the Tourist police and banks are all part of this scam.Who knows if they also get some commission from this blooming easy business!
My advice to all the tourist is that never ever heed to any friendly thai person's advice...and just follow your own itinary.
...
written by Peter Appio, Wed 06 May 2009 10:49:22 CDT
"It is the theft of our time that really gets me...........we spent thousands of dollars to get there, so each stolen hour was expensive, not just precious.'

Another sucker, I congratulate you, I wish I had written that!
...
written by Ivy, Thu 14 May 2009 23:08:08 CDT
My sister and I got picked up by one of these tuk tuk drivers outside our hotel. He scared us because he kept pulling over into side streets to try to convince us to go shopping. He finally got fed up with us saying "no" and kicked us out on the side of the road. We ended up at a gem scam anyways on an unexpected stop of our booked tour from Pattaya beach. I loved Thailand but this kind of stuff is bad for tourism.
...
written by Khun Issan, Fri 15 May 2009 01:10:08 CDT
Yes Ivy I agree
...
written by Khun Issan, Fri 15 May 2009 14:26:18 CDT
Mavis, this has nothing to do with you and No I most certainly dont now butt out
...
written by Ingrid, Fri 15 May 2009 23:35:57 CDT
That Tuk Tuk probably has been ripping off customers at that hotel for years.
It always amazes me they Hotel management allows a team of scammers to dominate the territory in front of their business.
Must be some cops involved or they would have chased them away or arrested them by now.
Tourists should never use a TukTuk or Taxi parked near hotels.
Sad but true.

...
written by Sally, Sat 16 May 2009 10:49:16 CDT
My family was scammed by these guys. Tried to ruin our trip.
Won't be visiting thailand again.

...
written by >>, Wed 27 May 2009 16:50:56 CDT
Same thing happened to me on my first day here.

the tailor 'cj colagen' was really f***ing scary when i said i din't wanna buy anything.

I'm travelling alone too.
...
written by Bangkok Resident, Thu 28 May 2009 07:40:39 CDT
"Same thing happened to me on my first day here.

the tailor 'cj colagen' was really f***ing scary when i said i din't wanna buy anything.

I'm travelling alone too."

Don't get upset with them since they are scamming with Police protection.

...
written by Michael, Thu 28 May 2009 15:32:38 CDT
Eddie, you miss the point completely! Its quiet obvious Brad had mistakenly identified Khun Issan, but the manner in which Khun Issan reacted was way over the top!

By the way, are you related to Khun Issan?
...
written by supriya, Tue 16 Jun 2009 18:58:28 CDT
i just returned from the trip to bangkok ....i had already read this entry so when my husband got intrested in the low tuk tuk fares and thought it is a friendly gasture of unknown thai friend when we were looking for metered taxi on khao san area ., i could keep my calm ..
Though i must say there poltting of the people seems so unrealated to suspect scam. two ladys offered us the help (which we didn't ask ) and adviced us to go to government tourist agency.and then palnned the tour to some buddha temple and gem shop...i am unable to believe inspite of knowing this scam i was in the tuk -tuk with husband ....he didn't had even clue about this scam....we went to so called government tourist information centre -tried to sell us not so good hotel in far off beach from Ao nang ....however we decided to not to book anything .....i really feel amused toady as there also i did not feel it was the same scam mentioned here .....then they took us to buddha temple where somebody from them said it's -'lucky buddha' - it worked wonder to me ....as somewhere in my memory it was registered as 'lucky buddha scam ' i told my husband in pure hindi that how this is scam and we have to have get out of this soon .....so both of us insisted on platinum fashion mall( our final destination ) by that time we were in front of the gem shop but we decided not togo inside ....the tuk tuk guy became abusive and almost trew us away from his tuk-tuk for declining to go inside the scam shop .....inshort this writting and lucky buddha came to my rescue
...
written by Simon, Wed 01 Jul 2009 11:12:38 CDT
My wife and I have just returned from our first overseas holiday to Thailand. Seeing the difference in culture compared to our own was really special and is what made the holiday so special. Thai people are the most patient people(experience a taxi ride in Bangkok to find out) we have ever met and are full of politeness unlike western culture. This stems from their belief that treating others kindly will help you become reincarnated as human when you die and not an animal.
Before travelling I read about these scams and was prepared for them when I got there. Taking an air conditioned taxi seemed to be a bit expensive and so the second day we tried a tuktuk. We told him to take us from Mbk to kao san rd for 20bht. He pulled over after about 50m down the rd and said he wanted us to go look at some gems. I said no and after some argument I stepped of the tuktuk and said byebye. We walked down the road and met a friendly man who seemed quite helpful to us saying to only use the green government tuks and not the blue tourist ones (still don't know if theres a difference). He also told the driver to go to the places we wanted at 20bht for each journey which was extremely cheap and also suggested going to the main TAT (tourism authority of thailand) office to organise our holiday which we were goning to do anyway so we said sounds good to us and went on our merry way. This second tuk tuk driver ended up staying with us all day and waited for 1.5hrs whilst at the tourism centre and also carted us around to many places all day (mainly shoe shops as I was trying to find a size 12 Australian hiking boot to fit my feet). A word of suggestion if youre after shoes in Thailand and have large feet, bring your shoes from your motherland as most shoe shops will only have up to a size 10/11 at most although I did find one in MBK that had some great fitting boots which I purchased.
Anyway the driver explained to us the thing about petrol coupons (I think 1 coupon = 5l of petrol) the more you buy the more they get. This guy was so patient and helpfull all day I didn't mind at all in helping the guy subsidise his 40bht fare by going to the big jewellry/souvenier place in bankok. Even if you don't buy anything they still get one coupon and it is only about 5-10 min of your time anyway. In the end we gave the driver 120bht ($5 AUD) and his couple of coupons for being so helpful for us that day and we had a great fun day in the wild traffic an culture of Bankok.
We used tuktuks a couple of more times whilst in Thailand but most time was spent walking. The look at you as though your insane when you say tour going to walk 4km to a shopping complex which was quite amusing. After a couple of days in bangkok I found us really enjoying it after our first culture shock and hard sell tactics. If you don't want a tuk tuk to take you to another shop on route to your destination don't take a tuktuk. Just ignore the indian textile merchants and keep walking if you don't want a suit. If you have had enough of bartering for anything and everything stop shopping. If a tuktuk driver wants a 100bht for a trip just laugh and keep walking.
Tuktuks aren't the only form of transportation in Thailand. They have a great Skyrail, subway and water taxi system where you don't have to barter or be hassled and it's cheap (everything is) as well. If your feeling game why not try the taxi motorcyles (look for the guys in the bright pink vests) it will surely be an experience you won't forget. This tuk tuk scam isn't really a scam, it's just how the thais do things. I think since they are such patient people they expect a little bit of patience from you. All your doing is giving a hand to someone from a much poorer nation and getting a cheap fare for the price of a few minutes spare time. You can always use the plenty of other forms of public transport if you want, or why not walk. It's always great after a day of shopping and walking in Bangkok to have a Thai Massage or Foot Massage for around 150bht ($7 AUD) can't be beat for one hours massage we'd be paying $80 - $100 for here in Australia. I gave my masseuse a 100bht ($4) tip before the end of my massage and she was genuinely excited and finished the massage with renewed vigour.
Thailand is a place I will definately visit again one day my wife and I had a Ball.

...
written by simon, Thu 02 Jul 2009 20:43:10 CDT
Simon - Great philosophy, and I couldn't agree more about being patient when over here. :)

Unfortunately, the tuk tuk drivers don't receive any vouchers from shops - they only deal in hard cash and can really make some money from taking potential customers to shops. Especially if you buy something which leads me on to ..............

.............The TAT do not organise holidays. Tour shops just choose to use TAT signs in an attempt to snare visitors.

Anyway mate, sounds like you had a great holiday. :)
...
written by James, Fri 24 Jul 2009 00:42:24 CDT
They tried the tuk tuk scam on me, i was in a tuk tuk for 2 1/2 hours. It was a lot of fun at first but towards the end i was getting a bit mad because the driver kept on saying one more shop because i hadnt bought anything from any of the shops. I was only in BKK for 20 mins before being taken in by this. I soon learnt though. Im going back to work in BKK for 6 weeks in October and im sure i will see lots more scams. After reading about all these on here i will be well prepared.
...
written by Tourist Police Division, Royal Thai Police, Fri 07 Aug 2009 10:25:34 CDT
Regarding the case of tourists purchasing jewelry:
We at the Thai Tourist Police Division express our sincere sympathy for tourist who have purchased jewelry from the shops in question and were unsatisfied with the products.
The Tourist Police Division has not ignored the situation and is committed to provide the assistance and support our tourists need in order to receive the satisfaction and fairness regarding transactions made with the jewelry shop merchants.
For example: Two French tourists purchased goods from S N P Jewelry Limited Partnership on the 22 of July 2009 but later questioned the quality of the products purchased. Subsequently, the Tourist Police assisted the two dissatisfied tourists in reaching an acceptable agreement with the merchants resulting in refund of 90% of the total amount. The tourists were impressed with the friendly assistance we provided.
In the above and similar cases, the Tourist Police Division recommends the tourists to be cautions and to be aware of entertainment places or shops selling fake products or misleading customers. Shops doing so will be held accountable and prosecuted according to law.
However, in case jewelry is purchased at a price agreed upon by both parties (even if overpriced), the police is unable to take legal action against the shop. Nevertheless, the Tourist Police will still act as a mediator and assist the customer in negotiating with the shop to reach an acceptable solution to the problem, e.g. accepting to take the purchased product back and agree upon an acceptable to the tourist.
Tourist police has conducted operation to monitor and secure the safety for tourists, should anybody sees or witness suspects anyone that may commit an offence under the Criminal Law of Thailand, please inform Tourist Police Division.
Thai Tourist Police “Your First Friend” Call 1155
e-mail address : This e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
...
written by mikey, Fri 07 Aug 2009 23:32:42 CDT
Tourist Police Division, Royal Thai Police

I'm glad to see this info here ( finally) please give us a few names of persons to ask for when calling to be sure they are familiar with the situation,and can communicate easily.
...
written by Another Scam, Sat 08 Aug 2009 00:48:24 CDT
We headed over to the Grand Palace again hoping that we could finally get in. We walked to the gate and were told that I wouldn’t be allowed in, since I wasn’t wearing pants and that it was closed until 2 PM. We then saw an information booth and walked over to it. The friendly Thai man popped open a map, and told us what to do until 2 PM. “Okay, go to the Lucky Buddha (“which only open once a month”), the Thai Export Store for some handmade clothing, and the Golden Mountain. We obliged and were scammed by the tuk tuk driver. We found a different driver who drove us back to the gate.

We walked up to the main gate, and a man says he is working security at the gate (shows us his ID), right next to the Thai soldier protecting the entrance. He says that entrance is closed, but to try the next gate. We walk for about a minute up the sidewalk and are turned down at that gate as well. We then see tourists walking in and out of the place. He tried to prevent us from walking in, but we scooted on by. It turns out the Grand Palace rarely closes and that these guys are more scam artists. There are tuk tuk drivers outside the gates and they convince you to see some other locations as the Grand Palace is “closed”. I couldn’t believe a man could pretend to be running fake security right next to a soldier. The solider could hear everything and did not do a thing. One of the reasons I “wasn’t allowed in earlier” was due to the fact that I was wearing shorts. I had brought pants in a bag, but it was way to hot to wear them for the full day. The Grand Palace has an area where you can rent pants and then return them. We went to the changing room and started to change. I look at the wall and a huge sign read, “WATCH OUT FOR SCAM ARTISTS WHO WANT TO TAKE YOU TO A LUCKY BUDDHA”. Thailand was full of scumbags.

Thai Police - do something!
...
written by Dave, Sat 08 Aug 2009 12:45:53 CDT
Great to get some feed back from the tourist police!
...
written by Bangkok tourist, Sun 09 Aug 2009 06:50:47 CDT
The Tourist Police should have some officers in front of the Grand Palace chasing away the army of scammers.
This has been happening for 20 years. They should not be filling out gem scam forms all day. They should be looking into this scam. No?

You think the post above from the Tourist Police is sincere?
...
written by ME TO, Tue 18 Aug 2009 13:07:54 CDT
a good read but unlucky for me it was to late got scamed at the golden argosy export two days ago now back in aussie and never want to think about going to thailand again thanks to the crooks
...
written by luckyguy, Fri 04 Sep 2009 04:18:08 CDT
Why the 90% return? Why not the full amount? Are u the thai police taking a cut money from the remaining 10%? I think the tourists who were duped should be returned the full amt along with a fined amount for the harassment caused to them. Only by doing this can the thai police convince us that they are really doing something for the tourists being duped by these unscrupulous agencies.
...
written by ko, Sun 06 Sep 2009 23:10:01 CDT
i was just back from bangkok 2 weeks ago.

one day, we tried to bargain and the tuktuk driver agreed to take us from hotel to china town with 40 bahts. but then after 5 min, he stopped aside and asked us if we could help him via going to a shop to *pretend* to be shopping so that he could get a petrol coupon. we, of course, after being treated for so many times in bangkok, didn't listen to his bullshxt even he said he could lower to tuktuk fee to 20bahts.

“You go Grand Palace? Can not! Now, have a Buddhist ceremony, tourists can not go in, only Thai people. But open again 3 o’clock, I send you back here after you go with me”. ----> this is exactly the phase that a security guard told me. What the....
...
written by Mike, Tue 20 Oct 2009 03:57:47 CDT
I was just in Bangkok, experienced the same story about Grand Palace being closed by 3 individuals. I was walking from reclining buddha to grand palace. First person wearing some sort of jacket with tourist board button saying palace closed till 2, next person about 50 feet away approached me with a tourist police jacket also saying palace was closed till 2 due to buddhist event going on. After that some guy approached tried to draw map of lucky buddha and big buddha and to give map to certain tuk tuk drivers the all of a sudden a tuk tuk driver arrives. After getting rid of tuk tuk driver and fed up with non-sense I decided to enter the compound using the Thai entrance and was directed by one the guards holding a gun to the correct direction to the entrance. I was also approached by a friendly Thai who also confirmed that the palace was open and the others were delivering non-sense.
...
written by tony the tiger, Fri 27 Nov 2009 14:37:40 CST
sgammers always stand by everywhere inside the temple also and give you more informations then bring you everywhere to 3 places TAT travel Agency to buy trips or package / Tailor shop and Jewelry shop
and all these 3 places they will plus charge commissiton 30% or 45% cut off this money to Tuk Tuk and and scammers on street ...if you go with them just go with them but do not buy anything no problem
but if you buy from 3 this place with them the shop offer big commission to them
there are may TAT travel agency with License under goverment control can do package trip thailand in Khaosarn Area inside the Viengtai Hotel at rambuttri streel is highly recommended please directly to them ...is good but some tour in Khaosarn if you buy bus ticket cheap cheap becarefull because of scam routing...on the way steal something force you money
...
written by tony the tiger, Fri 27 Nov 2009 14:50:00 CST
the scammers people how do you now them ? the answer everywhere on the street inside the temple area...I mean when you walking on street do not believe any people who give you more informations ....and make a story and always say that Grand Palace Close today...actually Grand Palace open everyday from 0830am. till 1530 pm. only...around the area out side of the Grand Palace , there are a lot of guide man stand by as a polite ..and will say to you grand palace closed...
Tuk Tuk man will say I got a coupon gasoline from shop...this is fault speaking...
please not do a business with them..tailor shop..there are many places everywhere directly by yourself but if Tuk Tuk Driver or Limousine driver or taxi driver recommend and send you somewhere this is they will get big 40% commission from shop...and also TAT travel agency with License ...if you buy trip with them you can get refund money bag but it is not good if the Tuk Tuk Driver or taxi from Airport send you to big shop TAT tourist Information Centre..to book all trip ...if you went to TAT travel agency like this please check price and say thinking about first , then go to Khaosarn Area there are 4-5 TAT travel agency with License at Rambutri street ....inside Viengtai Hotel or near by this area they can also booking all package thailand for you and cheap with resonable price...but counter tour agency at Khaosarn Raod around 100-150 office at Khaosarn area..please not belive so much if they sale bus boat tickets with very cheap cheap price ...and with no recieve from the company
Have A good Holiday
Best Regard
tony the tiger
...
written by Khun Krit, Sat 28 Nov 2009 03:44:14 CST
Tony the tiger, you great for information on how avoid scammer, but please stop write in pretending Thai, I knows you is the farang! But anyway all the breast and thanking you again.

Legards

Krit
...
written by Traveller, Sat 28 Nov 2009 06:21:36 CST
2 weeks ago, accross the road from Siam paragon shopping mall, we asked a TUK TUK to take us to grand palace, Immediately a well spoken Thai man claiming to be security, informed us that the grand palace was closed until one o clock. He gave us the hard sell about taking a boat ride. I asked him what it had to do with him as he was security and not a tourist guide. I told the Tuk tuk we would come back after lunch, the pretend security man followed us trying to convince us to take a boat ride, eventually I just told him to Fxxx off. I know we shouldnt be rude or offensive but the blatant scamming just pisses me off and it put us off visiting places such as grand palace as you know you are in line to being a victim. I stopped at a travel agent I know and asked about the grand palace, low and behold it was open all day.
...
written by Khun Krit, Thu 31 Dec 2009 12:28:35 CST
@Traveller, I would ask that you do NOT swear at a Thai again, I've seen a farang get nearly kicked to death because he swore at a taxi driver over being over charged. The exception is, can you run like Usain Bolt?
...
written by Travelkat, Fri 01 Jan 2010 10:13:24 CST
Having been a regular visitor to Bangkok for many years, I think the increased tuk tuk scam situations are really sad for the tuk tuks drivers. A huge percentage of visitors simply won't use them at all any more, whereas many years ago it was a fun and easy way to get around. It seems to me that they've cut their own throats with this nonsense which has put people off, most of whom would give them a good tip and probably even pay for their petrol anyway after a nice and honest trip to wherever they wanted to go.

The scams certainly increased dramatically when the skytrain began operating, so it is probable that this cut into their client base, therefore they had to resort to something to make up the slack in income.
...
written by Emma, Fri 01 Jan 2010 21:50:04 CST
Wish I had read this before I went to THailand - would have made our trip to Bangkok so much more pleasant. We were unforutate victims of the tuk tuk scam and more - avoid JAMES FASHION for clothing which is dreadful quality and hugely over-priced. Why don't the government do something about this? It seems all the more real because they are scamming you with their none-sense right in front of the guards of the palace. We even had a 'chance' stop with a second very well dressed/spoken THai man outside the buddha temple claiming to be a journalist and playing with an expensive sound system in his 4x4 car. He fed us all this crap about their being no tax on government shop purchases on that day and surprise surprise we went to tailors and gem shops. Didn't realise that the tuk tuk drivers got a whopping commission as thought it would be the guys who got you on the tour in the first place.

Land of smiles and theives is the lingering feeling I have of this place. Worse than Egypt where it is obvious that the people expect a transaction for every piece of information and advice. This is much more sly.
...
written by adam, Sat 30 Jan 2010 15:45:56 CST
just made ~1500 by riding around town and splitting 50-50 with a couple drivers.
...
written by Tracey White, Sat 30 Jan 2010 20:38:28 CST
We have just come back from Bangkok and we got approached at least 7 times in one day by "friendly strangers" telling us everywhere we wanted to go was closed for Thai's to pray and offering us cheap tuk tuk rides to the other temples instead, by the second day after getting approached twice and this time not giving these people the time of day, we were actually looking forward to coming home. It leaves a bad impression on us, when we had an awesome 7 weeks elsewhere in Thailand. For these annoying scammers alone, we will not be returning to Bangkok again, it's a shame, because most Thai's we met were awesome, but these tuk tuk scams certainly left us wanting to get the hell out of there.
...
written by khun Somchai, Sat 30 Jan 2010 21:52:04 CST
Dear Trace, why you use " awesome " twicey, you not know other word in lieu of awesome?
One other ting, having a hols in my country is different to live in it as the ex pat/retiree,j ust ask them?
Just to finish, are you a COCKNEY?
...
written by Colonel Saunders, Tue 02 Feb 2010 08:01:19 CST
Dear Khun Somchai
Why you say "Trace" her name "Tracy?"
Why you say "twicey" you not know proper word is "twice?"
Why you say "ting" you not know proper word "thing?"

Why it matter if Tracy is Cockney?
Me no likee Thai people. Thai people all steal money, cheat Falang. Thasi people bad people.
...
written by Dell, Tue 02 Feb 2010 08:53:27 CST
@KFC above, come on matey, its fairly obvious that Khun Somchai is NOT Thai! He's just taking the pee out of our lass Tracy. Where's your humour, I bet you just love Jim Davidson?
...
written by Mick, Tue 02 Feb 2010 10:33:53 CST
Have to agree with Dell, it looks to me like a wind-up, by the way Tracy, are you a cockney (I am, and proud of it)?
...
written by the real information, Tue 09 Feb 2010 18:39:51 CST
Give the answer to everyone...please see here.
1.Grand Palace Open everyday no close from 0830-1530pm.
2.all shoping open from 0930am. till 2130pm.
3.COUPON VOUCHER OR GASOLINE whic tuk tuk said to you is Fault speaking ( nothing )
if you get inside the shops tailors / Jewelry shops / TAT travel agency shop for 20-30 minutes but not buy any thing and automaticly the all these shop must give 200-300 baht under table to tuk tuk dirvers or taxi or limousine drivers...but if you buy or book trip from all these shop they plus over charge for 30-50 % back to Tuk Tuk driver or touts whom take you to shop they are all together
so that this is Tuk Tuk Driver just only charge you for 5-10-20 baht only for travel around bangkok areay but everything you good is over charge and not good qualities
all 3 places tailors shop /jewelry shops / TAT travel agency tourist information office if a tuk tuk man or touts people recommend you to go and buy that is mean you will pay alot
for travel agency thailand you can looking at khaosarn area is can do everything with cheap and safe everything same same but difference
i think this is will be very good informaiton for all tourist to visit thailand and please do not believe anyone on street ...to recommend you to these 3 shops
best regard / guide tour in Bangkok thailand
...
written by luuluu, Mon 15 Feb 2010 18:47:36 CST
if tuk tuk drivers are doing big scammed , what about Bangkok hotels? I need to know if they're safe.
...
written by Nick, Sat 03 Jul 2010 23:30:40 CDT
Whilst in Bangkok we used this scam to our advantage - we would get free tuk tuk's to anywhere in the city so long as we stopped at their 'sponser' to look at suits. We would spend 10 mins in the shop and then back on the tuk tuk - a cheap way of getting from a to b

...
written by Mikey, Sun 04 Jul 2010 00:02:19 CDT
Nick


worth wasting you time on vacation to save a few pence?
...
written by joseph jay, Tue 20 Jul 2010 00:19:35 CDT
yes i spent a long time reading most of those storys and would like to say yes i had a day out with those tuk tuk drivers..i stayed the grace hotel in soi 4 near the bamboo bar and the sky train after 4 days and seeing this tuk tuk driver every day asking to take me site seeing i gave him a chance.i asked him to take me to the victory monumemt but little did i know i would never get there but he took me every where but where i wanted to go from temples gold shop tailors shop but was not upset i did all my site seeing in bangkok yes it cost me 400B and i had to walk back about 1.5 miles back to my hotel because time for him to finish work and go home althouh not happy i was satified i had a good siteseeing and it was my first thai holiday that was 2003 scemmed but not upset....I only have to if something do"s does not seem rigth just walk away you have to remember they want your money and would do nearly anything to get it
...
written by Christina, Wed 01 Sep 2010 00:52:33 CDT
I disagree with those who say this "scam" (or "non-scam", depending on your point of view) is harmless. I had one of these Tuk Tuk drivers -- engaged in all good faith to take me back to my hotel directly, at specific cost, after a rainstorm made my planned boat ride unfeasible -- insist on taking me to some shady "tourist office" (which he presented as a government service free to tourists, but which was clearly another profit-without-value-added scam) on the way to my hotel. He left me there, in the middle of nowhere, after having previously lied to me that the office was around the corner from BTS. He left a single woman alone in an unfamiliar area of a foreign city at night, presumably assuming that because he perceived me as "American" I must have several hundred baht on my person for an unanticipated taxi ride. As it turned out, he was wrong -- and because it took me several hours to find the route and walk back to BTS to get to my hotel, I missed taking my scheduled medication with quite serious consequences. Bottom line here is that these scammers perceive their prey as cash machines and not as human beings. If you think that's cool and fun, OK. For those who don't -- perhaps we should continue to put serious pressure on the Thai authorities to crack down, while we spread the word among our rich decadent western friends that maybe there are better (and more honourable and honest) places in SEA to visit.

Write comment

busy
 
< Prev   Next >