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The Right to Choose
Written by Richard Barrow   
Sunday, 13 November 2005

Over the years there has been many debates about the pros and cons of the two priced system that is used at many tourist attractions around Thailand. Some people defend it by saying that everything is so cheap here in Thailand and that we “rich” Westerners should do our part to support the country. Others say that they chose Thailand as it is billed as a “cheap” holiday and that they are unwilling to pay the same prices as back home for tourist attractions.  For myself, it hasn’t really bothered me that much. Usually if I smile and explain politely that I am a teacher and have been in the country for a long time they then usually let me in with “Thai price”. Sometimes they need a bit more convincing and I then show them my Thai driver’s license or my income tax card. These show that I am living here and paying tax.  Mini Siam in Pattaya didn’t really care I was a tax payer. Many places like this insist on you showing a work permit if you want to pay Thai price. But, that document is not always that easy to carry around. And if you lose it then there is a lot of paperwork to be done. I didn’t argue my point with the people at Mini Siam. I don’t like getting angry  because they are only the ticket seller and not policy maker. However, before I could walk away they offered a compromise of “foreign child price”.

Some places I don’t even try to get Thai prices. Like temples which usually cost only 20 baht. I am happy to help wherever I can. In theory I can get in for free at the Grand Palace if I bring along a letter from the school. But, I never do. However, I do object to places that charge more for foreigners and then just pocket the difference. The Crocodile Farm in Samut Prakan is a good example. If I remember right, the Thai price is 80 baht and foreigners 300 baht. What do you get for your extra entrance fee? Nothing. The shows are still in Thai with the odd words in English. What do the animals get out of it? Nothing. They are cruelly treated and locked up in small concrete cages. As far as I can see, the owners do nothing with the entrance fee to make the environment better for the animals.

For many years, the nearby Ancient City maintained the same entrance fee for Thai people and foreigners. This was a very cheap 50 baht until it was put up to 100 baht about a year or so ago. Still, the price was good value for money and I always recommended it to all our visitors. However, late last year they started a two-priced system where foreigners have to pay 300 baht. This will probably be a shock to readers of the Lonely Planet because their last edition said only 50 baht and the new edition that came out last month says 100 baht! I am sure many people coming from Bangkok are shocked to see this price jump. I am sure many of them argue with the ticket seller as even before I had finished parking the car someone came up to me shouting “300 baht. You pay 300 baht”. Luckily I have been there many times and I know the ticket seller. So, she let me in at 100 baht. To be fair to the Ancient City they have actually done something with this extra revenue. They paved all of the roads inside the park and have started a massive renovation of all of the buildings. Also, the admission fee for foreigners includes rental of a bicycle.

The reason I am bringing this subject up now is that the other week I went to watch a Thai Boxing matching at Lumphini in Bangkok. I have been there several times before and I was vaguely aware that there was a two price system. However, I didn’t pay for my ticket the last time because my Thai hosts paid for me. So, I was unaware of how much it would cost. When I arrived at the boxing stadium I was steered by the ticket touts to a box office window that had the price 2,000 baht above it. I was shocked. Then looking to the left I noticed some more windows, though this time the numbers were written in Thai numerals. I had wanted to buy a 2nd class seat which is basically concrete slabs high above the action. The Thai numerals said 460 baht. Expensive for Thai people (and for me a Thai tax payer) but I was willing to pay that for a night out. Just so that you know, 120 baht will give you a luxury seat at a movie theatre. I approached the window and asked the guy in my best Thai for two tickets. He just folded his hands and refused to listen. Obviously he had heard this before. I got out my income tax card but again he was not interested. Then one of the ticket touts came to his rescue and dragged me away. “You pay foreigner price over there. Only 1,500 baht.” Yeah, right.

That day I chose not to pay foreigner’s price and not to watch the boxing match. I just decided that the inflated price was more than what the event was worth. I didn’t shout. I didn’t get angry. I just chose not to go. And that is basically the point of this blog. Fair enough, they can have inflated admission prices for foreigners if they like. It is their entertainment venue after all and it is up to them if they want to change the price according to the colour of my skin. However, I am going to object to the sly way they go about this. All prices marked in shops and tourist attractions are almost always written with the familiar Arabic numbers which all tourists can read. However, whenever they choose to have a two priced system they always write the cheaper price in Thai numbers. Why is this? Are they ashamed of having two prices? Don’t they want their foreign guests to know that they sometimes have to pay 10 times more than Thai people for the same thing? Don’t they  realize that if the foreigner finds out afterwards that he is more likely to harbour strong feelings of resentment against his Thai host for ripping him off?

I don’t think we should start a campaign outlawing the two price system in Thailand. It would be like hitting your head against a brick wall despite the fact that China has already outlawed duel pricing. However, I think we should start campaigning for a “right to choose”. The prices should be clearly marked in the widely used Arabic script. Foreign tourists should be allowed to see how much everyone is paying. Then it would be up to them whether they choose to pay the inflated price or not. All I am asking is for a “right to choose”.  The right for them to say that they don’t want to pay 200 baht to see a waterfall when a Thai person driving a Benz is paying only 20 baht. The right to choose to pay 300 baht for a crocodile show that is all in Thai even though they fully know that other people pay only 80 baht. Please give us a right to choose.

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written by Stian Oksavik, Mon 16 Jul 2007 06:47:27 MDT
I've been to the Crocodile Farm & Zoo in Samut Prakan. I went with a Thai friend, and so I was aware of the dual-price system. My friend even paid the Thai price while I was standing there paying the foreigner price, and the ticket seller explained to me -- in pretty good English, at that -- that the difference helped fund the park and that foreigners have a lot more income available to them. This is true -- to me, 300 baht was nothing and the experiences I had were truly amazing.

I do agree that signs should be up-front about the difference. Even if you don't speak Thai (I don't), I recommend learning the Thai numerals so you'll be able to spot these.
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written by Michael Dean, Sat 15 Sep 2007 12:00:31 MDT
Pity the poor ticket sellers. Printing all the prices in Arabic numerals would be asking for trouble. They have enough to deal with a few ignorant and obnoxious foreigners. Image the headaches and long delays as they had to calmly listen to the heated arguements from every foreigner who felt cheated out of 50 pence.
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written by mon, chonburi, Tue 18 Sep 2007 20:06:43 MDT
"The Right To Choose" Yes, indeed we do have this option, and I for one choose not to go into a two-priced venue. I consider this to be a legal scam as the National Parks and such places surely come under the auspices of TAT, which surely is state run - somebody correct me if I'm wrong. If more farangs did this then perhaps things might change, oops, was that a pig I saw fly past my window?

Michael Dean talks of foreigners who feel cheated out of 50 pence. Let me tell Mr Dean that I am one of these. Why? Because I, like many other foreigners who choose to live out here, are not wealthy. Many of us are having to eek out what money we came here with, as we almost certainly can not get work due to Thai work permit regulations. I have three years until I can claim my UK state pension, and so until then, as my Thai wife says, 50 pence (or 75 baht) will buy three meals for her.

I mentioned TAT earlier. Does anyone actually work there? I have e-mailed them a number of times to complain about the two-pricing system, without the courtesy of any acknowledgement, let alone a reply. As a Thai friend asked me recently, did I really expect one?

What a shame this beautiful country, which I love and choose to live in hides it's head in the sand over so many issues.
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written by Rayong Ray, Wed 19 Sep 2007 06:28:17 MDT
Mon, pray tell . . . when exactly was 50 pence = 75 baht. Seems the Currency Exchanges are also ripping us off!
p.s. How far would you get on your state pension at home in 3 years time? Would you be able to afford the entrance fees for galleries and museums in London?
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written by mon, chonburi, Wed 19 Sep 2007 16:45:24 MDT
Dear Rayong Ray. Well spotted, got that the wrong way round didn't I?

However, I think you have missed the point. Michael Dean seems to be saying that many foreigners winge over being cheated out of 50 pence (34 baht!) What I am saying is that many of us who choose to live out here have to be careful where the money goes, and that Thai people should not automatically assume that because we are farangs we can afford the two-pricing system.

Incidentally, one reason why I live here with my Thai wife and not in England is because I know that in England retirement would not be a possibility, even after my pension becomes due. Maybe you are one of the luckier farangs who does not have to worry where the next baht is coming from, and that a 10 fold legal National Park scam is just loose change.
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written by Mike, Tue 25 Sep 2007 18:44:43 MDT
When you buying something there is always profit in it. So middlemen whowanna sell the ticket for 1500 is making the profit not making the scam. You knew the price for the ticket. Eg when you buying computer and you know the costs you will fell cheated? I don't think so.
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written by Jackie, Wed 26 Sep 2007 09:18:25 MDT
Mike you are missing the point. The definition of scam on the front page of this website shows that it means "Deprive of by deceit (verb)". If they display one price to you which is higher than the real price then it is a scam. Restaurants in Thailand that have a higher price for tourists have been prosecuted as it is against the law. However, the penalties are not high and so it isn't much of a deterrent.
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written by Mike, Wed 26 Sep 2007 14:13:09 MDT
Jackie the real price for Farang is 2000, so if somebody asking 1500.This isn't scam this is good deal.
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written by Roy, Wed 24 Oct 2007 19:42:51 MDT
This is just plain Racism, nothing more and nothing less.
In most places in the world it is illegal and quite rightly so.
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written by John Scotland, Fri 26 Oct 2007 13:11:44 MDT
I have worked in Rayong for one year, I find the double pricing deplorable, because I am white doesnt mean I am rich, I find the Thais rascist and rude and will not visit again. Many people say if you dont like it then dont visit. They are right and I wont, and it seems a lot of people are doing the same. Goddbye Thailand.

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written by Steve, Sat 29 Dec 2007 08:49:50 MST
Applying double pricing Thai people / the Thai governmenet (national parks) consider themselves a lower category of people than westerners. Without being aware they completely loose face and admit belonging to the real third world. A blend of ignorance and stupidity often noticed in Thailand.
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written by Jae, Mon 19 May 2008 01:58:38 MDT
I went to the snake farm in Bangkok which is really an educational facility about snake bites so I could quite understand the dual pricing system. Thais are their target audience after all.

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