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The Right to Choose
Sunday, 13 November 2005

Over the years there has been many debates about the pros and cons of the two priced system that is used at many tourist attractions around Thailand. Some people defend it by saying that everything is so cheap here in Thailand and that we “rich” Westerners should do our part to support the country. Others say that they chose Thailand as it is billed as a “cheap” holiday and that they are unwilling to pay the same prices as back home for tourist attractions.  For myself, it hasn’t really bothered me that much. Usually if I smile and explain politely that I am a teacher and have been in the country for a long time they then usually let me in with “Thai price”. Sometimes they need a bit more convincing and I then show them my Thai driver’s license or my income tax card. These show that I am living here and paying tax.  Mini Siam in Pattaya didn’t really care I was a tax payer. Many places like this insist on you showing a work permit if you want to pay Thai price. But, that document is not always that easy to carry around. And if you lose it then there is a lot of paperwork to be done. I didn’t argue my point with the people at Mini Siam. I don’t like getting angry  because they are only the ticket seller and not policy maker. However, before I could walk away they offered a compromise of “foreign child price”.

Some places I don’t even try to get Thai prices. Like temples which usually cost only 20 baht. I am happy to help wherever I can. In theory I can get in for free at the Grand Palace if I bring along a letter from the school. But, I never do. However, I do object to places that charge more for foreigners and then just pocket the difference. The Crocodile Farm in Samut Prakan is a good example. If I remember right, the Thai price is 80 baht and foreigners 300 baht. What do you get for your extra entrance fee? Nothing. The shows are still in Thai with the odd words in English. What do the animals get out of it? Nothing. They are cruelly treated and locked up in small concrete cages. As far as I can see, the owners do nothing with the entrance fee to make the environment better for the animals.

For many years, the nearby Ancient City maintained the same entrance fee for Thai people and foreigners. This was a very cheap 50 baht until it was put up to 100 baht about a year or so ago. Still, the price was good value for money and I always recommended it to all our visitors. However, late last year they started a two-priced system where foreigners have to pay 300 baht. This will probably be a shock to readers of the Lonely Planet because their last edition said only 50 baht and the new edition that came out last month says 100 baht! I am sure many people coming from Bangkok are shocked to see this price jump. I am sure many of them argue with the ticket seller as even before I had finished parking the car someone came up to me shouting “300 baht. You pay 300 baht”. Luckily I have been there many times and I know the ticket seller. So, she let me in at 100 baht. To be fair to the Ancient City they have actually done something with this extra revenue. They paved all of the roads inside the park and have started a massive renovation of all of the buildings. Also, the admission fee for foreigners includes rental of a bicycle.

The reason I am bringing this subject up now is that the other week I went to watch a Thai Boxing matching at Lumphini in Bangkok. I have been there several times before and I was vaguely aware that there was a two price system. However, I didn’t pay for my ticket the last time because my Thai hosts paid for me. So, I was unaware of how much it would cost. When I arrived at the boxing stadium I was steered by the ticket touts to a box office window that had the price 2,000 baht above it. I was shocked. Then looking to the left I noticed some more windows, though this time the numbers were written in Thai numerals. I had wanted to buy a 2nd class seat which is basically concrete slabs high above the action. The Thai numerals said 460 baht. Expensive for Thai people (and for me a Thai tax payer) but I was willing to pay that for a night out. Just so that you know, 120 baht will give you a luxury seat at a movie theatre. I approached the window and asked the guy in my best Thai for two tickets. He just folded his hands and refused to listen. Obviously he had heard this before. I got out my income tax card but again he was not interested. Then one of the ticket touts came to his rescue and dragged me away. “You pay foreigner price over there. Only 1,500 baht.” Yeah, right.

That day I chose not to pay foreigner’s price and not to watch the boxing match. I just decided that the inflated price was more than what the event was worth. I didn’t shout. I didn’t get angry. I just chose not to go. And that is basically the point of this blog. Fair enough, they can have inflated admission prices for foreigners if they like. It is their entertainment venue after all and it is up to them if they want to change the price according to the colour of my skin. However, I am going to object to the sly way they go about this. All prices marked in shops and tourist attractions are almost always written with the familiar Arabic numbers which all tourists can read. However, whenever they choose to have a two priced system they always write the cheaper price in Thai numbers. Why is this? Are they ashamed of having two prices? Don’t they want their foreign guests to know that they sometimes have to pay 10 times more than Thai people for the same thing? Don’t they  realize that if the foreigner finds out afterwards that he is more likely to harbour strong feelings of resentment against his Thai host for ripping him off?

I don’t think we should start a campaign outlawing the two price system in Thailand. It would be like hitting your head against a brick wall despite the fact that China has already outlawed duel pricing. However, I think we should start campaigning for a “right to choose”. The prices should be clearly marked in the widely used Arabic script. Foreign tourists should be allowed to see how much everyone is paying. Then it would be up to them whether they choose to pay the inflated price or not. All I am asking is for a “right to choose”.  The right for them to say that they don’t want to pay 200 baht to see a waterfall when a Thai person driving a Benz is paying only 20 baht. The right to choose to pay 300 baht for a crocodile show that is all in Thai even though they fully know that other people pay only 80 baht. Please give us a right to choose.

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written by Stian Oksavik, Mon 16 Jul 2007 06:47:27 CDT
I've been to the Crocodile Farm & Zoo in Samut Prakan. I went with a Thai friend, and so I was aware of the dual-price system. My friend even paid the Thai price while I was standing there paying the foreigner price, and the ticket seller explained to me -- in pretty good English, at that -- that the difference helped fund the park and that foreigners have a lot more income available to them. This is true -- to me, 300 baht was nothing and the experiences I had were truly amazing.

I do agree that signs should be up-front about the difference. Even if you don't speak Thai (I don't), I recommend learning the Thai numerals so you'll be able to spot these.
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written by Michael Dean, Sat 15 Sep 2007 12:00:31 CDT
Pity the poor ticket sellers. Printing all the prices in Arabic numerals would be asking for trouble. They have enough to deal with a few ignorant and obnoxious foreigners. Image the headaches and long delays as they had to calmly listen to the heated arguements from every foreigner who felt cheated out of 50 pence.
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written by mon, chonburi, Tue 18 Sep 2007 20:06:43 CDT
"The Right To Choose" Yes, indeed we do have this option, and I for one choose not to go into a two-priced venue. I consider this to be a legal scam as the National Parks and such places surely come under the auspices of TAT, which surely is state run - somebody correct me if I'm wrong. If more farangs did this then perhaps things might change, oops, was that a pig I saw fly past my window?

Michael Dean talks of foreigners who feel cheated out of 50 pence. Let me tell Mr Dean that I am one of these. Why? Because I, like many other foreigners who choose to live out here, are not wealthy. Many of us are having to eek out what money we came here with, as we almost certainly can not get work due to Thai work permit regulations. I have three years until I can claim my UK state pension, and so until then, as my Thai wife says, 50 pence (or 75 baht) will buy three meals for her.

I mentioned TAT earlier. Does anyone actually work there? I have e-mailed them a number of times to complain about the two-pricing system, without the courtesy of any acknowledgement, let alone a reply. As a Thai friend asked me recently, did I really expect one?

What a shame this beautiful country, which I love and choose to live in hides it's head in the sand over so many issues.
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written by Rayong Ray, Wed 19 Sep 2007 06:28:17 CDT
Mon, pray tell . . . when exactly was 50 pence = 75 baht. Seems the Currency Exchanges are also ripping us off!
p.s. How far would you get on your state pension at home in 3 years time? Would you be able to afford the entrance fees for galleries and museums in London?
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written by mon, chonburi, Wed 19 Sep 2007 16:45:24 CDT
Dear Rayong Ray. Well spotted, got that the wrong way round didn't I?

However, I think you have missed the point. Michael Dean seems to be saying that many foreigners winge over being cheated out of 50 pence (34 baht!) What I am saying is that many of us who choose to live out here have to be careful where the money goes, and that Thai people should not automatically assume that because we are farangs we can afford the two-pricing system.

Incidentally, one reason why I live here with my Thai wife and not in England is because I know that in England retirement would not be a possibility, even after my pension becomes due. Maybe you are one of the luckier farangs who does not have to worry where the next baht is coming from, and that a 10 fold legal National Park scam is just loose change.
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written by Mike, Tue 25 Sep 2007 18:44:43 CDT
When you buying something there is always profit in it. So middlemen whowanna sell the ticket for 1500 is making the profit not making the scam. You knew the price for the ticket. Eg when you buying computer and you know the costs you will fell cheated? I don't think so.
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written by Jackie, Wed 26 Sep 2007 09:18:25 CDT
Mike you are missing the point. The definition of scam on the front page of this website shows that it means "Deprive of by deceit (verb)". If they display one price to you which is higher than the real price then it is a scam. Restaurants in Thailand that have a higher price for tourists have been prosecuted as it is against the law. However, the penalties are not high and so it isn't much of a deterrent.
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written by Mike, Wed 26 Sep 2007 14:13:09 CDT
Jackie the real price for Farang is 2000, so if somebody asking 1500.This isn't scam this is good deal.
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written by Roy, Wed 24 Oct 2007 19:42:51 CDT
This is just plain Racism, nothing more and nothing less.
In most places in the world it is illegal and quite rightly so.
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written by John Scotland, Fri 26 Oct 2007 13:11:44 CDT
I have worked in Rayong for one year, I find the double pricing deplorable, because I am white doesnt mean I am rich, I find the Thais rascist and rude and will not visit again. Many people say if you dont like it then dont visit. They are right and I wont, and it seems a lot of people are doing the same. Goddbye Thailand.

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written by Steve, Sat 29 Dec 2007 08:49:50 CST
Applying double pricing Thai people / the Thai governmenet (national parks) consider themselves a lower category of people than westerners. Without being aware they completely loose face and admit belonging to the real third world. A blend of ignorance and stupidity often noticed in Thailand.
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written by Jae, Mon 19 May 2008 01:58:38 CDT
I went to the snake farm in Bangkok which is really an educational facility about snake bites so I could quite understand the dual pricing system. Thais are their target audience after all.
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written by Alawesi, Tue 08 Jul 2008 12:43:10 CDT
No, Steve on 29 Dec 07, the idea is that Thais pays tax and should be eligible for benefits in their own country.

Disney World has a dual pricing system. Are they third world?
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written by Jim, Tue 08 Jul 2008 13:48:08 CDT
Disney World has a discount for local residents in that State. It is not nationwide discount for all Americans. The Ancient City does the same for Samut Prakan residents. They can get in for 50 baht. Other Thai people can get in for 100 baht. White faced foreigners get in for 300 baht.

Thailand is a Third World country because the majority are very poor. There is a big difference between the rich and poor in Thailand.
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written by thai1970, Wed 06 Aug 2008 15:28:02 CDT
after reading all the blogs about how thailand has changed for the worst, i will cancel the trip i convinced my wife of the beautiful thailand and people i met when stationed in korat ab long ago. next stop south korea.
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written by Brit, Sat 09 Aug 2008 23:00:17 CDT
hello thai1970 dont be put off. I live here and they (the Thai people) are beutiful -maybe not all 100%- but beautiful non the less. support this nation and let your family or friends learn from these beautiful people.
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written by Alan, Mon 29 Sep 2008 12:46:24 CDT
Sri Racha Tiger Zoo (6 tigers when we went !) has a hand written sign saying "Entrance 200 baht" There is also Thai writing amd numerals saying 50 baht. After some haggling with my Thai driving licence I got in for 100 baht. Personally I think that Thais will find 50 baht a rip off, all they have is scammers trying to take your photo with animals for 100 baht - they even demanded 50 baht per photo if I used my own camera !!
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written by Harry, Mon 29 Sep 2008 15:11:32 CDT
If you want to see double pricing come to Phuket. The so called Zoo here charges 80 baht for Thais and 500 for anyone else. There have been many complaints about what you find in the Zoo but having not paid the extortionate price I cannot comment.

I understand all the arguments above and have mixed feelings about the whole issue. At the end of the day it is a scam by definition but if you can afford it you don't seem to take offence at it. Having lived in Thailand for 6 years I feel that the people who carry out the scams (including the "official" ones) would do it where ever they can and in which ever country they could. They have no morals or remorse so don't think they are doing it for the good of the people or the country; it is for themselves. 99% of the population are very moral people who work hard to survive.
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written by Visitorno?, Tue 11 Nov 2008 03:20:26 CST
I realize that dual pricing seems to be a custom in Thailand but it would be considered illegal discrimination in the US. What would the Thai government say if all US attractions charged 4 times the normal price for all people with Asian faces? I am a retired teacher and a white teacher is just as poor as an Asian one.

A 1000B difference may not seem like much for *one* attraction but what visitor only goes to one place? At the end of a two-week vacation, the difference would add up to a lot of money - perhaps even enough money to have paid for another week. I wanted to visit Thailand, now that I'm retired, more than any other Asian country, but now I would only spend my time resenting being discriminated against. It seems as if I will have to research other countries to visit but I do thank this site for letting me know BEFORE I landed at Bankok Airport.

MIKE, being cheatef out of 1040B instead of being cheated out of 1540B is NOT "a good deal". A cheat is a cheat is a cheat. Would you want your mother to pay more just because she is a mother?
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written by kris, Wed 21 Jan 2009 17:17:57 CST
I went to snake farm of the red cross in BKK. At the entrance there was a sign saying: "entrance, adults 40 baht", written in Thai, using letters and not numbers so most foreigners couldn't read it. I can read Thai because I live in Thailand, but I am a European. There was another sign written in English saying: "adults 200B". I was asked to pay 200B at the entrance and I don't see any reason why. I live in Thailand, my wife is Thai and we have a Thai income. I spoke Thai to the receptionist and explained her I could read the first sign and I live in Thailand. She refused to let me in for 40B. I didn't enter, because 200B is not good value for your money if you live at a Thai standard. Is the colour of skin really important for the price? I think an organisation like the red cross that supports people all over the world, no matter what colour of skin they have, shouldn't get involved with discrimination. I'll never donate any money to the red cross again.
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written by pighoglet, Wed 21 Jan 2009 19:52:15 CST
Even the red cross are at it, is nothing sacred?
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written by jim, Sat 25 Apr 2009 22:23:27 CDT
We should apply the same rule on them when they come to USA or Europe ! and why not !

lets charge them 5, 10 times more , and if they complain ,just answer: you are a farang in my land !
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written by pighoglet, Sun 26 Apr 2009 00:35:38 CDT
That is the advance or lack of, in civilisation, many people in many countries havent caught up yet. If Im not welcome somewhere I dont part with my cash easily.
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written by Theo, Sun 26 Apr 2009 00:40:51 CDT
What makes it interesting is that eastern Europeans like Polish people have to pay more in Thailand than back home. Things are a lot cheaper back home they say. Same for lets say for South Americans. Because all of them are farangs. Thais dont know the difference because of their ignorance of what happens beyond Thai borders. (exept may be about some temples in Cambodia) In Amsterdam I can work out in a well equiped gym for 700 bath a month. In thailand I find it more expensive.
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written by Sammie, Sun 26 Apr 2009 09:25:06 CDT
I agree there, and also beer is working out cheaper now in a run of the mill pub like weathersppoons (not everyones taste of pub I know but ...) £1.50 for a pint and its around that if not more in Thailand for a bottle of inferior beer. Naturally a lot of people like to be in the sunshine but Thailand has definately for the brits priced itself out of the tourist market thats for sure.
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written by Theo, Sun 26 Apr 2009 18:45:29 CDT
One can live in thailand and work there and speak Thai. Still you will be a farang and at some places you will have to pay your farang tax. Your part in the play is to be a farang. Dont try to be Thai too much. In Amsterdam they call whites integrating in black culture bountys. Be proud to be a farang! Our culture achieved a lot more than theirs! I speak Thai too. Nowadays I dont want to anymore. Farang speak Thai Farang Kee Nok!! We dont like farangs speaking Thai. Very rude yes. Thai can be rude. Heard this a few times to often. Strange. When I go to England nobody is angry because I learned a little bit of english.
They even appreciate it! Unlike the Thais. Because Thailand is for Thais.Not for you
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written by pighoglet, Sun 26 Apr 2009 21:27:50 CDT
yes, sorry to say but if you speak thai its "farang know too much".

What other country do the people not reward you in some small way for making the effort to speak their language?

what a strange attitude!
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written by Theo, Mon 27 Apr 2009 03:15:43 CDT
It wouldnt be such a problem if at least all of them could speak some English. (Or Dutch ha ha) The point is they dont like all those farangs living in their country. On the other hand they like the money they bring with them. In Thai soap children with a behaviour problem usely listen to farang rock music! A bad influence is coming from abroad!! Not good for the pure honest not corrupt not violent Thai society!!
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written by Khun Issan, Mon 27 Apr 2009 14:54:41 CDT
Language is never a problem in the world, but gentleness and honesty can be seen in the eyes, and it takes time to read those eyes.
Thai soaps are melodramatic/violent bull ***, TV is on 24/7 with little or no parental guidance given to the children. Child is fed whilst it is walking about by Nana, Mother, Nanny or whoever, no sitting down at rable or cross legged on the floor, no manner are adhered to, children are spoilt leading to a uncivilised, unruly community, but in the country where there can be little or no money the old Thailand can show you how wonderful the country can be.
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written by pighoglet, Mon 27 Apr 2009 19:56:33 CDT
Had to do a double take in the cinema recently. A thai family was watching a restricted movie with guns and violence occurring in it being a crime thriller. They had 4 kids ranging from 10 downwards watching the movie with them. The youngest must have been about 4 or 5.

This would be deemed chronic parental irresponsibility anywhere else but this is thailand so unusual things happen everyday.

As an adult I can tell the difference between reality and a film but will these children become blase to violence after repeatedly watching films not meant for their age group?
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written by sammie, Mon 27 Apr 2009 20:40:12 CDT
Tragic, and its another world out there!
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written by Mikey, Mon 27 Apr 2009 22:42:10 CDT
"farang know too much"

this means they ( farangs) are aware of what is going on and more difficult to scam or take advantage of.

you need a thick skin to let the insults pass when they dont think you know what they are saying.
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written by Theo, Tue 28 Apr 2009 01:12:11 CDT
To Khun Esan: The old Thailand. To which period you refer? 50 years ago? 30 years ago Or one hundred years ago? Or more? Even the old Ayuthaya was troubled by intrige, corruption, teft and so on. It isnt modern age that made Thailand what it is now
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written by Khun Issan, Tue 28 Apr 2009 12:39:42 CDT
Theo, 30 years ago Thailand was really beautiful, no I wasnt around 100 years ago. Thai people were very shy around foreigners. I personally think tourisim can bring some good but so many negative aspects as well in the name of modernisation.
I see slowly slowly the change happening in Laos which I find awe inspiring but unfortunately corruption is happening there as well, they are learning from their brothers!
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written by Theo, Wed 29 Apr 2009 00:34:09 CDT
Everything changes. The sarong is exchanged for jeans. One hardly sees Thai women dressed in sarongs. In Laos it will be the same. Read Yukio Mishimas "Wat Arun". Written before the second world war. What Bangkok was like then. Its cheap flights, mass tourisme and globalisation. The dilemma of the antropologist visiting a newly dicovered tribe. By visiting the change starts already. But in Holland you wont find many people walking on wooden shoes either. The world becomes (too) small??
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written by Khun Issan, Wed 29 Apr 2009 01:09:05 CDT
Theo in Vientienne many women are still wearing the "Lao sinh" and in Luang Prabang and all the country jeans are frowned upon. In Nong Khai most of the visiting Laotians are to be seen wearing the "sinh" walking across the bridge. Much of the trade in Lao is relient on the silk market and to do away with the sinh will have heavy repercussions. In Vietnam the Ao Dai dress for the Vietnamese woman is to be seen everywhere, school children etc. absolutely graceful and wonderful to observe. In Singapore we also have our national dress and my daughter wears her uniform with pride. In the cabin it is always the long uniform which is graceful . Have you noticed how many 1st world western cabin staff are looking frumpy and heavy these days.
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written by pighoglet, Thu 30 Apr 2009 05:56:59 CDT
This is explained by the fact that no matter how long you live here it will forever be extremely difficult and a virtual lottery to ever be a thai citizen, unlike in europe where they hand out passports and citizenship to immigrants like confetti.

Even if you did make it and become a thai citizen, you will never be accepted as such and in truth its not worth the expense and bother to do it.

This is so the authorities can pull the plug on foreigners as a political move to appease the thai high society who seem to walk on water.

Enjoy life here but never cut your associations with your home country.
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written by pighoglet, Fri 01 May 2009 00:09:26 CDT
Foreigners have been putting millions of baht into the thai economy for 30 or more years now, so......................why isnt the infrastructure up to scratch?

Corruption stinks as much as scamming.
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written by MIke, Wed 01 Jul 2009 21:38:16 CDT
Good point Richard. Just wondering if you can you just have the thai guy buy you a ticket while your off getting the beers and then go in with the cheap ticket for the night. Just wondering if that would work at alot of places.
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written by fortuner, Thu 29 Oct 2009 06:38:15 CDT
No, no, no... I totally disagree with this stupid dual pricing they have in Thailand, it's discrimination and I feel totally disgusted that the Thai people do this, it should be banned/outlawed! I feel it grossly unfair that just because a foreigner is supposed to be earning far more money than a local Thai that I should pay a higher price. As it happens, this is not always the case, there are Thai people that can earn much more money than a foreigner yet they still get away with paying a cheaper price, may be not many but it can be the case. Do these people not understand that some of us foreigners struggle saving up for at the very least a year to have a decent holiday, not all of us foreigners are rich and when you have a family in toe, every bit counts!!! I totally dispise the Thais doing this double pricing and refuse to go into any place that does it, wherever it is.
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written by Simon McFarnaby, Sat 21 Nov 2009 01:51:58 CST
I have been scammed by the TAT scam. It happened today. We were misled in that we were told some lies, lies that one would be protected against in the UK. We paid with credit card (around £1000) for a 32 day trip to north and south east thailand, trekking etc. Now we later found similar trip for about a 3rd of the price. We paid by credit card and the payment is still pending. Bank says nothing can be done until payment is paid. Where do I stand on this? I know in UK you get cooling off period. Am I protected by credit card company? They have advised speaking with offending company but Im worried that if we cause a fuss there and still have to go, it could be made harder for us. Any ideas folks?
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written by Khun Tom, Sat 21 Nov 2009 04:55:40 CST
Welcome to Thailand.
Bend over.
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written by aussie, Sat 21 Nov 2009 12:04:38 CST
in the west it is common practice to get three quotes before making a major purchase'

same same' for Thailand' only way to avoid it is to do your research

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written by Crocodilexp, Wed 30 Dec 2009 03:51:29 CST
Dual pricing is a sensitive issue.

*Price* discrimination is what many businesses try to do. One example: a seat on tomorrow's flight is 5x more expensive than if you booked the same seat 3 weeks in advance. Service cost is the same, but the airlines figured out that if you must fly tomorrow you can afford to pay more. Thai businesses figured out tourists have more money.

However, is this *racial* discrimination? It is NOT if they charge non-residents more than locals and post it clearly. It is if they charge you more just because you are white (e.g. if they let a Japanese pay the Thai price, as some massage places do). It is if upon producing a proof of residence (e.g. Thai drivers license) they refuse to give you a local price.

I generally don't mind small amounts (free vs. 50 baht), and when there's up to a 2x difference between local and tourist price (e.g. 100 local 150 tourist). However, when a difference is larger, it is just disgusting, one example being national parks charging 40 baht for Thai and 400 (!!) for foreigners.
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:24:25 CST
...wow, you guys are so right on some points i thought i was the "only one" seeing this...i've lived for 2 years in thailand, mostly in sleazy pattaya...my conclusion is that we go to live in an artificial world and smiles paying for it...they like the farang for short time, party hard, big tips and LEAVE...i tried to put roots there but we are like water and oil, they don't mix. we are all farangs seen as sinners by their beliefs and will rott in hell, we smell bad, are ignorant, dirty ( shaking hands and going in rooms with shoes on ) and ill mannered etc. one aussie i used to frequent in pattaya ( he tried to befriend me and offer me free drugs so i would get hooked and he would intoduce me to a pusher who would over charge me and split the difference with him, nice try : ) he used to send "his" his thai GF money to finish school, every freakin' night she was strolling in Marine Plaza and walking street !!! i took her a couple a times and never told the bastard...when he would come back he would feel like her protege', but he is cheated out of his mponey too and not only...karma my friend...you f*** with me...i F***you chick when you're GONE working in OZ !!! scortched-land Pete : )
anyway back to Thai's and Farangs....( btw i'm going back next week to get my teeth finished : ) there, if you go to thailand take advantage of the great medical and cosmetical facilities, realy oustanding, try BNH Hospital in BKK...Thai Ladies ?! can not be trusted, all farangs have big money. And they all have a thai boyfriend for when you're gone.
i must be sick ? maybe : ) but after 2 years in pattaya i can't pick chicks everynight in Walking street etc. so i go to the internet cafe, everynight i see 6 to 8 girls video chatting with boyfriends abroad waiting for them to come back to make love long time : ) oh, and water buffalo sick..need medicine and money for mama ; ) which i woulr regularly pick up after they are done and take'em to my ROOM !!! this is thailand, always alone, do what you got to do, pay and most of all GO...
guys, just to give you an idea...a thai lady with a farang will always be looked at as a bar-girl...she's not too happy to walk around with you shopping and eating...mind you the thai's have some really messy fun in private parties : ) some girls answer the phone while with me cause " its their boyfriend from england "...it is the only country in the world where the locals get pissed if you say good morning in their language ? and its damn hard too...it is the land of fake smiles...if you see a local male with a male farang, they are gay ??!!!! so that's why you will never make a thai "male" friend of your age to go out party and get into the local society, and if you you do, it is just until you buy them the first bottle of
100 Pipers or Black Label then they will ignor you and have a blast while you are there feeling stupid and decide to go to bed early and do somethinking.
The best piece of advice that opened my eyes was Sai ( thank you for being so truthful and honest,
i hope, just kidding : ) as she said, if she had to choose to merry a farang it WOULD BE FOR THE MONEY that he has and she lacks, otherwise screw him, why being looked at as a prostitute in her country by all t the locals all the time. in her words.." i would chose a thai dentist or lawyer from a good thai family and have a really special family.." so guys, asian chicks don't fall for your white looks so easily and your "bigger" size...i've checked some ladyboys and they are HUGE...even felt threatned at times : ) and they are not gay, it is a FULL TIME JOB !!! after a few years take the silicon out, go back to some village and open a little shack and settle in Korat or Rayong...i used to know a guy that worked in a gay bar but really lived with a girlfriend and they where struggling to make ends meet...smoking yaba and run away from home...in pattaya..btw no one is from pattaya !!! everyone comes from the working class of the Esarn...short and dark...i travel for the bar girls too, in thailand they are pretty old for my standards, and i'm mid 30...anyway MONEY...they'll never believe you're broke, and if you are only momentarly...one time i went to eat with a thai girl and when i had to pay i noticed i didn't have enough money ( cause i tipped her : ) so she told me " don't worry " i thought she was going to pay...she pointed at an atm macjine with a smile, isn't that great...
look, no thai ever thought to leave their blessed country, in fact it is os blessed that we have a hard time keeping all these poor souls coming in wanting to have some fun...pay double or GO, i was broken hearted to be honest the first time it hit me that they are rude and if you don't accept their extortion of your hard earned cash with a smile, they'll point to the airport and tell you to go : (
one time talking with a "friend" working in the travel office of my hotel in pattaya ( btw, she admittes going off with the clients after hours for some fun and extra cash : )
she said " ALL FARANG ARE SELF-CENTERED " ...does it not hit you when they speak PERFECT english when their interest is at stake and ask you if you speak thai when YOUR interests are at stake ?
if you don't want to be cheated of a few extra beers on you're bill and pay a few extra baht, you are automaticaly a CHEAP CHARLIE !!! do you have any freakin idea how much time and money JUST my plain ticket cost and you call me cheap charlie cause i'm using my basic mathmatical skills !!! they have heard it all, farangs coming from navy, prison, psycos...all...
guys, i've seen ( god bless'em ) old men on mechanical wheel chairs looking for working ladies on the beach !!! so, farangs will always be falling in, one more one less no big deal, but the fresh one's can be squizzed easily and more substancily cause they don't know all the crap of " mama live in falm with watel buffalo, no papa, yes smoke yaba : ) like vely much thank you...: )
so just go there, do what you have to do, pay for it and leave back home, even if you spend a few extra bucks, what you can do there, you can almost never do back home unless you were a rockstar/rapper.
every falang i know married to a thai...would have not done it if could go back in time, and stick the baby back where it came from. some guys got cheated out of all their money including their mom's to bail them out while the B""""H was married with a thai dude all the time !!!! so guys watch out...if you think to find love/friend in thailand, everyone will laugh in your face...we just don't mix...make use of their services and GO...that is thailand...
one thai told me " why you don't open business here and settle : ) "
1.i can't own property, it has to be in HER name..i'm not drunk yet..
2. no farang makes BIG money in thailand, you Must employee at least 2 employees and pay taxes for 4 ?
3. it is unfair competiton, they run business from shop/home using their kidds and you pay taxes
4. might as well save me the headache and use that money to have fun instead...so thanks for the hint..
oh yeah, the self-centered part and that's it : ) she says " look you work out in gym, tattoos, clothes, girls etc" ( what about thai dudes ? what are they into ? rice paddys...
yes all farang that come to thailand are self-centered miss travel-agency receptionist, ask me why ? cause evryone of US, yes US who come to thailand are broken hearted, lonely as dogs , no family and live very cold lives under everyaspect, and come here in the sunshine with the girls on the beach to have fun with hard earned money, not for free. yes hard earned money, it is accepted in everycountry in the world and it defently isn't monopoly money like they think
so Tit guys.." This is Thailand "
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:38:14 CST
oh this last one, i was walking in BKK and a police man approches and asks me where i'm from...i was smoking a cigarette and from my education world wide it is not appropriate to speak to a law enforcment agent smoking, chewing gum, habd in pocket, sunglasses etc. so i throw the cigarette to the ground, before i could say where i was from thinking it was relevant, he fined me 2000 baht for loittering ( near Nana Plaza, at the big cross road down from Skytrain station ) that's USD 60.00... he then walked me to pay at the booth where his partner in crime was waiting to do the paper work...we agreed on USD 30.00 or 1000 baht : (
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:41:10 CST
if you really one have a laugh at the foregners in pattaya just go in sit at the police station on soi 9 on beach road and listen to the problems of unattentive tourists and sneaky thais : ) everything is made more funny by the intervention of the Tourist Police as translaters etc. : )
one question ? where do they get those guys from ? what credentials must i have to get into the
Tourist Police ?
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:44:23 CST
i saw this the other night at the police station in soi 9 in pattaya, i went to pay i fine cause i was driving a short distance without helmet, it's 500 baht...foreveryone and that means also thais...check this out, a thai guy is waiting in line infront of me to pay the 500 baht fine, he hands the police officer the ticket and 1000 baht note, the officer hands him back two notes of 500 baht ? were they friends or the officer was just not so careful ? the Officer....?
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:46:32 CST
guys, don't ever pick a fight with a thai national in thailand...everyone present will come in and kick your butt, even if you were right...i've seen guys in blood pools over a few extra bucks on their bill...
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:55:14 CST
this is about my ex-friend Pete the aussie...one night "HIS" : ) girlfriend called saying she was arrested on the posession of drugs ( which is wide spread, especialy among sex workers, don't sleep for days, no need to eat, no fat etc. and can work 24 hours, literaly ) which is an extremly serious offense in the kingdom ( n.b. it's The Kingdom of Thailand, not just Thailand, and remember their king which i think is a great man and monarch, is Ravanna'a avatar on earth, i.e. he is GOD made human on earth, all thais believe we can't understand this or respect this so they will never tell us and regard us as inferioir, and they do) so anyway, Pete goes to the "crime scene " and the officer says if he pais USD 800.00 or the equivalent of 28.000 baht roughly...he'll let her go...Pete pays as usual and feels good about himself : ) only to find out that was her THAI boyfriend !!!!....scam scam scam scam scam....

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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 20:58:14 CST
ALL thai females view foregners as a means to an economic end...i.e YOUR end...so do what you have to do, pay and GO..: ) if they stay too long with you they start coming up with all sorts of stories needing money...what you spend on one girl can get you 10 girls or a very happy GF at home country : )
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:02:54 CST
one day my phone rings and i see it is a public phone booth from the number on the display...i answer and it was the girl i was with last night ( and the night before...i know ) she wants to see me so i let her upstairs, i naturaly ask her " where is your phone " she answers " oh, no problem i had to sell to pay rent for room.." and i have given her 3000 baht in three days ( USD 100.00 ) and she slept, ate and watched tv most of the time cause she had no room to stay in the first place...
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:05:46 CST
in almost 3 years i have never heard i thai say " oh, he was such a good farang " ..no, at the end it is always " oh, that bastard left without paying !!! "....yeah cause he had enough of being treated like a black american in the 20's around Virginia and paying everything more : )
that's why the poor bastard left : )
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:09:01 CST
thai women and business owners abuse us foreigners more than they think we abuse their girls...to be honest, they know what their doi ng, and she is getting a better deal with you than with a thai, i assure you she gets paid a lot more and treated extremly well compared to their thai counterparts. Some sisters share the same scooter-taxi driver/boyfriend and give him a few extra bucks too...cause his thai and can understand them and is there all year long...shoot me...
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:13:45 CST
all thai working girls will tell you they had a nasty british or scandinevian BF that did all these mean things to hear....so deep inside she hates every freaking foreigner...
well then that is the business you got your self into, second now i that i know i feel like leaving, and third if you guys treated us with some decency and HUMANITY...karma... you would be treated nicer...but a guy coming from the worlds-end, spends a huge amount of money, just to be cheated out of his money and then told to leave you sad foreigner !!! i don't think so...so guys don't go if you think you will find the other half of the apple in thailand.
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written by Daniel, Wed 30 Dec 2009 21:15:41 CST
btw, you will never see a a farang with a RICH thai girl from a good family...she would be looked at as very cheap by her nationals...that says it all...
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written by Stavros, Thu 31 Dec 2009 12:32:16 CST
@Daniel, what if she marries a BILLIONAIRE?
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written by Daniel, Sun 03 Jan 2010 22:26:26 CST
To Stavros: " What if you wake up and smell the coffee..."
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written by Stavros, Sun 03 Jan 2010 22:46:45 CST
@Daniel, geez man, I was only joking, I'm surprised at you. Anyway, I only drink herbal tea (mint) if you must know.

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