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Tourist Scams in Ayutthaya
Written by Richard Barrow   
Monday, 09 April 2007

Scam

The other day I had a really enjoyable time in Ayutthaya. But, it was marred at times by the scams. This kind of thing can spoil anyones holiday. No-one likes to be scammed. So, what is the definition of scammer? The dictionary says “A person who swindles you by means of deception or fraud”. So, is the person above a scammer? The sign clearly says that entrance for the toilet is 5 baht. But, take a look at the sneaky Thai above. Normally Thai people only use Arabic numbers like ourselves. If you see numerals written in Thai numbers then you can safely guess that you are being scammed. In Thai, this sign says “Toilet 3 baht”. So, am I being scammed? OK, it is not a lot of difference between the prices. But, the definition of a scam is “Deprive of by deceit”.  It is not the amount that is of concern. It is the fact that I am being deprived of an extra 2 baht by deceit. I hope she feels good that she made an extra 2 baht. She certainly didn’t look happy that I was taking her picture.

Scam

We all know about the two priced system in Thailand. It is quite widespread. But, is it acceptable? Are we being scammed? In the above case we have a sign for the entrance fee to one of the ruins in Ayutthaya. And yes, we are being scammed. They disguised the real entrance fee by using Thai numerals again. This is another clear case of “Deprive of by deceit”. OK, again we are not talking about a big difference in price. Thai people are 10 baht and foreigners are 30 baht. Incidently, although I have lived here a long time and pay taxes for the upkeep of places like this, I still have to pay “foreigners price”. Anyway, I didn’t argue or try to get in for 10 baht. It is not worth it as we are not talking about a lot of money. It just got a bit boring after a while to keep paying 30 baht each time. After ten locations it started to add up.

Scam

There are plenty of scams in Ayutthaya. It is a major tourist attractions and it is a good opportunity for the locals to make a lot of money. I don’t really want to give the impression that all Thai people are like this. Most of them are the kindest and most generous people on the planet. However, the ones that have mixed with foreigners change in some ways and become greedy and corrupt. Take a look at this elephant ride through the ruins of Ayutthaya. For 500 baht you get a 20 minute ride on the back of an elephant. For me that is a bit expensive (two days wages), but a lot of foreigners think, that is cheap. So, they do it. Most of the people in the elephant camp were foreigners. But there were some Thai people too. I looked around and could only see a price written in English. No sign of any other prices. Seemed strange so I queued up behind a Thai family at the ticket office. They asked how much for adults. The answer – 100 baht! The real price wasn’t even being advertised this time. “Deprive of by deceit”.

Scam

I think the most outrageous tourist scam I came across was this one at a restaurant called Khun Ton Fast Food, which is in the market area near Wat Phra Si Sanphet. I went in there and the first thing I saw was the usual menu in Thai up on the wall. I decided to go for fried rice with pork. The price was marked at 30 baht. A bit expensive but prices have started to go up these days. Before I had a chance to order, this plump waitress came over and said in broken English, “sit down sit down”. She then brought me over a menu in English. So, here I am looking at this menu and straight away I spotted that all the prices were 50 baht. So, I called the waitress over and said in Thai to her, how come it says 30 baht on the wall and this menu says 50 baht for the same dish. She then tried to make an excuse that it was a misprint in the menu. I told her that I hoped she wasn’t trying to cheat the foreigners. She didn’t reply. I decided not to stay. She had already offered me the real price, but I didn’t want to patronize this establishment any longer.

I honestly don’t think that these methods of deceit that they use are doing them any favours at all. Firstly they are creating bad feeling. Secondly, and more importantly, they will lose business when people like me start to campaign for foreign tourists to have the right to choose. By all means charge foreigners more if you like. But, don’t do it in a deceitful way. The people at Vimanmek Teak Mansion are doing it exactly right. No deceit there. They clearly say in English the price for Thai people and foreigners. Top marks for them. I had no problem paying them the foreigners price. They gave me the right to choose. These other people in Ayutthaya didn’t. They will hurt financially in the end. I know many people who never take tuk tuk rides. They would rather walk because they don’t want to be cheated. So, the tuk tuk driver loses out on a fare. While I was in Ayutthaya, I was thinking about going on a boat ride. I like boat rides. But, I don’t like being cheated. I just couldn’t be bothered arguing with the boat owner about the price. So, I never even went to take a look. Maybe he actually had a fair price for both Thailand foreigner alike. I will never know and the boat owner lost out on a potential fare.

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written by Jet lee, Fri 06 Jul 2007 02:18:38 CDT
Even Disneyland has a local price discount. I know you pay tax but you got a priviledge to be welcome there. The Thai are very poor in general so what is your problem to charge 10 bth extra. How about drug addict foreigner that impregnate local girl and get away, I think that is the real scam. If you need to find more problems to report, please look at the big picture Mr. Good Karma.
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written by joy, lifeinthailand.wordpress.com, Sun 05 Aug 2007 23:37:53 CDT
I think they should be honest about the two-price thing, write both in Thai and English. It should be explained more cleary so tourists can understand that two-price system is not a scam when it is used appropriately. It makes tourists feel like a fool. I'm Thai-British so I pay Thai price, what a bonus! I don't know what my boyfriend will think of this when he's coming to Thailand with me this year.
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written by Jackie, Thu 13 Sep 2007 15:05:01 CDT
I think Jet Lee misunderstands the point of this article. Disneyland don't charge foreigners extra by deceit. In Thailand it is different. There is no discount price. It is normal price for people who look like Thai and inflated for foreigners. If Thailand was a Third World Country (or sees itself as one) then I would agree on what they are doing. But in reality, the Bangkok elite (and government members) are among the richest in the world. The GPD is much higher than many other countries where these so called rich tourists come from. Thai people just see foreigners as rich as they come here by plane. But what they don't realize is that they saved up all their money to fly here and have very little left over for the actual holiday. We are coming to Thailand because it is cheap. We don't want to pay the same prices as we do back home. If the price of a holiday in Thailand was comparable to a holiday in the sun in Europe then more and more people will stay away from Thailand and go elsewhere. I hear Vietnam and Cambodia have good beaches and fair prices.
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written by Dting Dtong Taiwan, Sun 16 Sep 2007 21:42:18 CDT
"Jet lee", be not a moron - and learn to write before you post comments. It is clear from your remark that you have never visited LOS.
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written by Mike, Tue 25 Sep 2007 18:37:59 CDT
Double price for local and for visitors are everywhere. This is not scam. You don't have to like it. But if you don't like it, it isn't scam still. If person agree to pay the price it means that everything is ok.
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written by annie, Tue 23 Oct 2007 12:40:15 CDT
I spend most of time in Ayutthaya, I found a situation like this all around in Ayutthaya. Local people here they not cheat only foreigners but they try to cheat bkk people also. Beware of it when you come to this town.
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written by Andy, Fri 28 Dec 2007 11:32:47 CST
I agree with Richard, its the principal of being cheated. Any tourist resort in Thailand especially Pattaya, Phuket and Kho Samui there are people trying to steal your money, Tuk Tuk drivers with sex shows and dvds, Pakistani , Nepal or Indian tailors harrasing you. Its annoying up to the point of being scary sometimes. I have been threatened my wife abverbally abused. We now try and stay away from resorts foreighners visit.We are even now starting to see Farang scam artists and pimps.

Although I would like to add that I have not had this problem in Chang Mai, the people there are wonderful
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written by baz, Sat 12 Jan 2008 06:17:01 CST
Where else should we go if we really think it is so bad ?
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written by BENNY, Wed 15 Oct 2008 23:15:29 CDT
It happens everywhere this 2 tier system. I was in Antigua recently and popped into town to buy some fruit from a local supermarket. When I got to the till the young check out girl weighed te grapes and said $11! $11 for a bunch of grapes! I asked her why so expensive? She said because I was a tourist and I had plenty of money. Yeah right. Little did she know that I work for a major airline bringing thousands of tourists to her shit hole of a country. I gave her back her grapes plus the other items I wanted. I then told everyone on the flights I operated not to visit the rip off shop at the harbour front. There were plenty of other supermarkets who displayed their prices on the food like shops in the USA and UK.
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written by Theo, Thu 16 Oct 2008 00:41:01 CDT
I think all the falangs writing their sad stories here have no time left seeing the country. To occupied with there wallet. Pay 5 bath to much for the toilet. 50 bath to much for the tuk tuk driver. To much for see world. etc. Payed 1 dollar to much for a haircut! Read his forum and see a portrait of the modern educated western tourist
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written by Theo, Thu 16 Oct 2008 04:01:40 CDT
Without falangs, Tubs, the Thai bath will without doubt drop severly in value. Woman are an important export article. In all European and Australian cities one finds large communities of Thai woman married to westerners Every month lots of money is sent back home. Often 500 to 1000 Euro or dollar a month per Thai girl. Money sent to Thailand without Thailand having to give any value back. The exported woman are usely poor educated, so didnt cost Thailand much. Often there is no employment for them. And now they sent money to Thailand every month They are glad to get rid of these bargirls! Plenty new ones available from the Esan. Bargirls in Thailand attract a lot more tourists than temples.So Thai economy needs them very much! But as said there are plenty available Enough for export as well
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written by bkkandy, Thu 16 Oct 2008 19:52:54 CDT
To be honest the tourist traps are always a big scam. The double charging I can understand since the Thai's are not as well off as the average foreigner tourist. That's okay and it's not in your face. Howeverin Bangkok I refuse to take anyone to Wat Pakow (sorry spelling). The number of touts and bullshit Tuk tuk drivers wanting to take you on a tour and ending up in a gem shop is really just too much hassle.
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written by Theo, Thu 16 Oct 2008 22:10:47 CDT
The cleverest scammers are to be found on Wallstreet As you see now on TV everyday bankers and other scammers in the financial world have stolen and are stealing a lot more money from you than the Thais would ever be able to steal from you. You see the small sharks but overlook the real big ones.
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written by Scammed again, Fri 17 Oct 2008 06:41:17 CDT
Theo, This is the BANGKOK SCAM website.
Scammers are working in plain sight of the managers and security guards at Thailand's main tourist attractions.
Thailand depends on Tourism and these scammers are out to ruin everybodys holiday.
The TAT, Tourist Police, Thai Police are not interested in protecting visitors.

These scammers are going to get more and more desperate and aggressive as tourism declines.
Look for the Police to start planting drugs, extorting visitorsUntil the Thais start treating guests fairly, tourists will be going home and making negative reports.
Travel agents worldwide are beginning to warn travelers.




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written by Theo, Fri 17 Oct 2008 08:03:04 CDT
How can you expect the poor Thais not to be corrupt as even mr Tarksin was or is corrupt. Not only he, but the whole upper and ruling class. Read the books of Sudham on the subject. Not well written, he repaets a lot, but he had the guts to write. And probably the only reason they didnt kill him yet is because he only publishes these books in English as far as I know. My point is: If they dont start at the top nothing will change. Corruption will be accepted as normal. And not only tourists but also theThais are victims. I have seen police ripping off Thais as well. They have to deal with more corruption and scamming than the avarage tourist. There is very little a Thai can do about it. In the Esan teachers or union people trying to do something about it often are shot. As far as I know no complaining tourist has been shot yet. A tourist at least can try the tourist police. But they are suspected to be corrupt as well
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written by Scammed again, Fri 17 Oct 2008 10:38:51 CDT
True, that is why tourists won't be coming in great numbers when they read what is happening.
The reports on this website are alarming. Thai tourism is doomed unless some action is taken.


At the very least, a Tourist warning should be distributed to EVERY visitor.


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written by Theo, Fri 17 Oct 2008 11:40:09 CDT
Among the small scams (the small ones that bother tourists so much) I have seen Thai police stop cars and ask the Thai in it to give them money. They give it. And they cannot go to the tourist police to complain about it. A lot of common Bangkok Thai know nothing about the tourist scams going on. They dont know the tailors are cheating selling plastic. Dont know about the gem scam. They are scammed in other ways. But there is little difference between you and them. Both scammed.
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written by Scammed again, Fri 17 Oct 2008 12:07:34 CDT
It's a national disgrace to have professional tourist scammers working over visitors at the entrance to Thailand's main attractions, in plain view of security and management.

Go to the Grand Palace, any day, and they are there.
The Tourist police are paid to look the other way and the security guards fear for their safety if they intervene.
These scammers are thugs too.
I have a feeling many of these scammers are Tourist police off duty.

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written by Theo, Fri 17 Oct 2008 19:03:56 CDT
Might be. Usely they have permission but have to pay the police. Goes every where like that. In the national parks Thais selling on the beach have to pay money to the rangers. Sometimes they call it protection money. These sellers and the national park rangers have a complicated system of licences. Some of these licences give the right to be the only seller of a product on the beach (Not all beaches have the same system) Those licences may be expensive and can be sold to others. National park makes a lot of money of the system too of course. Bars etc everybody pays something to bribe somebody. One big big scam. Then there is the police. The barowner usely has to pay them monthly, tread them like kings when they come in, give them free beer. Usely most people having business will give the police a free drink when they meet them in a bar anyway. Maybe thats what tourists should do a little more often 5555. If a barowner refuses to pay police might come at primetime midnight, talk about noice complains, take away cds and music equipment and close the bar for the rest of the night. Or the put some drugs somewhere and close the bar because of evident drugdealing. Thais, just like tourists complain amply about the scamming. Except for the rich. Because in Thailand they are the ones that rule everything, because everything in Thailand is for sale. Even the trees in the National Parks. In a country run like that one shouldntbe suprised tourists get scammed. Nothing can be done about it unless almost everything changes in Thailand. Well the last uprising against government for a good deal concerned corruption as far as I know. Thais are fed up with it as well.

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