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Tourist Scams in Bangkok
Written by Richard Barrow   
Wednesday, 11 April 2007

Scammer_01

A scammer offering you a bath at Wat Inthawawihan

I have been to Bangkok many times. I have heard people talk about all these scams but I have never once knowingly been scammed. The place where I parked the car on Sunday with our Steve was exactly where I have parked before. It is my base for exploring the area. I then either walk or go by tuk tuk. Never have I been approached by scam artists. I went there with Steve, we took about a dozen steps away from the car and then the vultures starting swooping in for the kill. As one guy was showing Steve places on the map, I could see other scammers circling in the distance. For the following three hours we just went from one scam to the next. It was relentless. So, why this sudden interest? Did we have a sign above our heads that said something like “fresh off the boat”? I of course blame our Steve. He was so dressed the part as a tourist. Cap, t-shirt, sunglasses, shorts and rucksack. But, I think the clincher was the map. I don’t think they would have approached us if Steve wasn’t holding a map. This was an essential prop to their scam. They needed to give us suggestions of different places we could visit. The only thing that we didn’t have was a piece of paper. For some reason all of them wanted to write these destinations down for us.

Recently, Steve gave us a rundown of  The Great Tuk Tuk Scam. What I will do today is give you some of the side-scams. The first one was at Wat Inthawawihan. This has a large 32 metre high Standing Buddha. The scammers call this place the Big Buddha. I hadn’t been to that place for a long time. Although the Buddha image was beautiful (and around the back there was an interesting row of Buddhas for each day of the week) I will now boycott this temple. Why? Because it is a scammers temple. Take a look at the sign in the top picture. Release the birds in the cage for 90 baht. He must be joking. At the most it should be 20 baht. But, that is beside the point. If you ever go to a temple, please do not pay money to release birds or fish. This is cruelty to the highest extreme. Many abbots of temples have banned these people from their grounds. This is not a Buddhist practice. You are supposed to be making merit by releasing the birds. But, by doing so, you are encouraging this vendor to catch and cage more wild animals. The abbot of Wat Inthawaihan should be ashamed of himself. Not only allowing this vendor to be on his grounds, but allowing this scam artist to trick foreigners into paying 90 baht. I am sorry, but I feel very strongly on this matter.

Scammer_02

No Photo, I am the Security Guard – Wat Sitaram

Not far from the Golden Mount, there is a temple hidden away that goes by the name of Wat Sitaram. I was pleasantly surprised at the beauty of the Buddha images here. I was happily snapping away when this seedy little guy approached us. His English was quite good which is always a giveaway. SCAM ARTIST 100%. The second clue is that Thai people do not usually approach complete strangers in the street. He was quite friendly at first and explained a few rules. He said he was the security guard and that as we weren’t Buddhists we weren’t allowed to take any photos. I was perplexed and said to him that I have never been to a temple where you weren’t allowed to take photos in the temple grounds. I said, where does it say you cannot take a photo? He then pointed to a sign behind me. Now, I have taken pictures of hundreds of signs for our LearningThai.com website. I have seen many signs that say “no photos” in Thai. This one most definitely was not saying that. In fact it was talking about Dharma. So, I took a quick photo for later reference. Then the guy got angry and said, “I told you not to take pictures.”

I think by this time he realized there was something suspicious about us. We had deviated away from the script. This guy was supposed to befriend us and mention that by chance there was a one day sale at the local government run tailor/gem shop. “Oh really?”, we were supposed to reply. “What a coincidence, our tuk tuk driver was about to take us there. You know, at first we thought the tuk tuk guy was scamming us, but as you are saying the same thing then in must be true.” Then he would have said, “Well, you better not delay in this temple much longer taking pictures, you should rush to the government run tailor shop before they close. They are only open once a year.” I am sorry, but this guy was so extremely rude to us. I have never met anyone like him in my life. This guy was a scammer big time and this temple was his lair. If the abbot knows about this scammer then he should be ashamed of himself. I really want to go back to this temple, but I honestly think that the only way that I can avoid this guy is if I speak Thai to him.

Scammer_04

The Bird Lady giving Steve the Victory Sign

For the first two hours, we were being scammed almost non-stop. Not only by the tuk tuk driver with his broken promises and outright lies, but scam artists that we met along the way. And amongst them I do include the tailor shop and the jewelry shop that we visited. Scammers the whole lot of them. They all should be ashamed. Anyway, we finally managed to persuade the guy to take us to the Grand Palace. The last time I came here from the place where I parked my car it was about 40 baht in a tuk tuk. Today it cost only 10 baht. Of course, we had a slight deviation away from the route which took us two hours. But, along the way we visited two temples, had some refreshments (we could have had a cold beer apparently), and had the run of some really nice toilet facilities. Not so bad, until we later found out that we were scammed. Another tuk tuk driver later offered the same “scam tour” for only 5 baht! Of course, they probably would have done it for free as they were only interested in getting their fat commission for taking us to these shops.

Anyway, moving on. I was a bit tired by this time and wanted a break before the next scam. I think we walked literally two steps before we were thrown into the middle of the next scam. This involved the Bird Lady. I think I was sill a little dazed from our previous scam so didn’t really understand why this fat lady kept thrusting half empty bags of bird food into my hands. She then gestured for me to feed the birds. I thought rather strange. Maybe this was a Thai custom of welcome to foreigners to the palace of His Majesty the King. So, I took her advice and scattered a few seeds on the floor. “More, more,” she encouraged us. Steve didn’t really want anything to do with her as she was getting really pushy. So, in the end, just to make her happy, I took the little plastic bags and threw the contents to her birds on the ground. I then gave back to her the bags and we started to walk on towards the Palace. “Twenty baht. You give me Twenty baht!” Oh what. You must be kidding. Can’t we at least have a short break between scams? The only way we got rid of her in the end was when I started taking pictures of her. That is when she started swearing at us in Thai. I would like to remind you again that all of this was happening in front of the Grand Palace.

Scammer_06

Don’t tell anyone else, I can give you special price of only 1,000 baht each

We darted across the road and were immediately confronted by people selling oriental umbrellas. “400 baht. Only 400 baht for you Madame.” No thank, you. And anyway, I am not Madame, I am Mister. I smiled at her. “OK, I like your smile. For you, only 300 baht.” No, it is alright, I am really not interested. “Mister, I need to buy milk for my baby.” Then about 100 metres further down the road she said, “Alright, I give you special price Mister. 150 baht.” By this time I was tired and hungry. I said to Steve lets go and get something to eat near the pier. Two more steps and then “Boat mister, you want a boat. Only 1,000 baht each person.” As there were two of us, this meant 2,000 baht. As you know, I was here the other week with my brother and we paid 600 for the both of us. I told Steve that I wanted to check this out as for some reason the prices seemed much higher than what I had been told before. Maybe because we were still only speaking English. I said “no” to this guy and kept walking.

Up front I spotted another women that seemed to be herding us towards the right hand side of the pier. She hadn’t actually approached us yet, but as she kept glancing back I knew she was a scammer. I whispered to Steve to quickly do a left turn to see what she would do. “Mister, mister, you cannot go that way!” I thought she must be joking. There were two entrances to the pier. I could choose either. “You no go that way. That is one way.” That was absolute rubbish and a complete lie. She just wanted to stop us going to a rival boat owner. I had enough by this time. There were too many scams one after the other. Each one was very much in our faces. I told Steve that we need to break cover if only for a lunch break. So, we found a nice little food shop near the pier, and Steve, in perfect colloquial Thai, ordered us some lunch. I asked how much for two dishes ove the rice and we were told “30 baht”. That sounded about right. At last we could relax. We really needed to recharge our batteries as we were about to walk the complete perimeter of the Grand Palace.

Scammer

The Grand Palace is closed at the moment, I will take you to these other places first and then when you come back at 3 p.m. you will see that the Grand Palace is free!

Now, before I continue, I just want to pause and say that not all Thai people here are scam artists. In two different locations I asked a couple of vendors in English how much a bottle of water was. They both said “10 baht” which is a fair price. There is hope left. Now let’s continue with the scams. We were first approached near the exit to the Grand Palace. As the scammer was busy telling Steve that the Grand Palace was closed today I snapped a few photos of a sign next to him that said in English and Thai: “Don’t trust strangers. The Grand Palace is open every day.” He then proceeded to tell us about the Big Buddha and the Lucky Buddha. He said he could arrange for 40 baht to take us there and then bring us back here at 3 p.m. when the Grand Palace would be opened for free! Wow! We carried on walking. Fifty steps later and we had another similar offer. This was right in front of the palace. Hey dude, I am not blind, I can see people going inside! Do you think we look stupid or something? We carried on walking because Steve was trying to find a jewelry scam guy.

The third and fourth scammer said much the same. Apparently we were in luck because the Big Buddha is only open this one day of the year. We declined all of their offers because they wanted to take us to the same places we had just been to. We were now walking down the east side of the Grand Palace towards Wat Pho. In the distance Steve spotted a smart guy in a shirt and tie. This looked like the gem shop scammer. As we approached him Steve got out his map hoping to get a bite. No luck. It then dawned on us. We were the wrong kind of tourists. We were too shabbily dressed. This guy was only looking for big spenders for the gem shops. Not backpackers. When we rounded the corner of the Grand Palace, the story of the scammers changed slightly. “Today Wat Pho closed for special ceremony. You go to Lucky Buddha. It is only open this one day.” We kept on walking around the next corner and back towards our starting point. The first scammer on this side pointed to a closed door and said “Look see the Grand Palace is closed today.” Yeah right. This is the private entrance.

I think by this time we were both really annoyed by the utter contempt and lies that were spewing out of the mouths of these guys. They called themselves Thais but were lying about the palace of their revered King. Did they not have any respect for H.M. The King? Shame on them all. At this last one, in the picture above, I whispered to Steve to keep this guy busy while I went and had a chat in Thai with the soldier on guard duty. I asked him if the Grand Palace was really closed today. He said no, it is open. Then I said, why is that guy over there saying that it is closed? Is he lying? Then for some treason he started getting nervous and changed his story. The Grand Palace is closed today, he said. Are you sure? Then he told me to go and speak to his supervisor. However, by that time the scammer knew the game was up and had already departed. Steve said that he had spotted me talking to the guard and quickly changed his tact to being a helpful stranger who was just giving directions. Shame on that soldier for not stopping what was so obviously a scam.

This is not a new phenomenon. These exact scams have been going on here for many years. Everyone knows about it. The Tourist Authority of Thailand knows about it. But the soldiers on duty and the TAT allow it to continue. Shame on them all. I feel so sorry for the tourists who come here on their last day only to be told that the Grand Palace is closed. And then they are taken on a wild ride to some shameful temples and scamming shops. I am sorry, but this day was so distressing and overpowering. None of these so called Thai people had any respect for H.M. The King. How dare they stand in front and lie to tourists that his Grand Palace is closed. Something must be done. Will it? Sadly, it is very doubtful.

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written by cs120ban, Sun 13 May 2007 14:26:41 MDT
wow a lot of scammers. I'll be very careful when I head to thailand.
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written by trickythefirst, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:11 MDT
Hi fascinating column,

I think Thailand s a great country and got scammed the first time there on a stopover, thr usual tuk-tuk scam re tailor/jewellry store, my friends had warned me but he grinded me down.

Been back several times now and on first visit nearly fell for Palace closed even though loads of people going in, when a guy with good english is giving you flannel you almost believe him.

As far i can see other than the tuk-tuks ( who are fab generally ) who you simply make a simple excuse or say no thanks are fine and touts who try sell accomodation in bangkok/chiang mai/islands etc.if someone approaches you at a site of interest means they want something from you ( ie don't believe them).a great country with fantastic people,food and beer. A very small minority let it down but not enough to stop me personaaly returning whether holiday or travelling. Thanks
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written by gnarlykitty, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:26 MDT
Best blog post ever!
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written by jeremy, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:58 MDT
great blog! the scammers are so open about what they're doing that it's truly shameless.

recently my girlfriend and i needed to go to the airport. i had spoken with her about taxis trying not to use meters and she told me that as a thai she wouldn't have any issues.

as i was checking out of our hotel she got a taxi ready and our bags were loaded. as we pulled onto the highway i saw the meter wasn't switched on. sure enough, the driver wanted 400 baht to go to the airport.

the look on her face was priceless! almost (but not quite) worth the premium.
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written by Dalang, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:14 MDT
Scam, scam, scam. It is everywhere. It is a good job that you guys are trying to expose them. It is sad to see this happen in my country. I was a victim myself.
It is not just Foreigners or Rich Bangkokians who are pested by these lowly beings.

I don't think that we, the Thais, should pretend that this does not happen. If you go to Mochit or Hua Lampong and Bang Sue train stations, you will see that they also traget at the poor Thais from the countryside.


The best thing to do is to expose such a practice and campaign against it. Being poor is not a good enough justification for these people to behave like this!
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written by Johan, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:34 MDT
Now, this really calls for a 'crackdown', doesn't it?

Seriously, it is a shame that the scam-artists are allowed to operate so freely. The in-your-face scammers really depreciate the tourist experience.

One of my strongest memories after a visit to Chiang Mai is of a tuk-tuk driver letting me know what a moron I was when I refused to buy anything at some far-away diamond store I had NOT asked to go. After I convinced the son-of-a-gun to take me back to the hotel (not many other transport options), he had the nerves to take me to some Indian tailor scam store as well on the way back. The chance of me getting into a physical fight with this guy seemed pretty high at the time, so I don't remember it as a funny curiosity. Hope his tuk-tuk breaks down badly some day.
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written by paul_au, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:54 MDT
Reminds me of a scam on my female Thai friend. I arrived at the grounds near the king rama V statue for a university graduation ceremony in a Taxi, as I got out of the Taxi, this woman pined a flower to my shirt, then she pined a flower to my female friends top, obviously she did not speak English, and I walked off, so she asked my Thai friend to pay for both my flower and her flower, latter my Thai friend told me she was scammed by this Thai woman and made her feel obligated to pay for both our flowers, I told her she should have just walked off and not paid, any way I offered to pay my friend the 120 baht for my flower but she would not except the offer even though I insisted, because I new that this cost her about a days wages.
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written by BUCKY, Mon 14 May 2007 20:19:15 MDT
Its like you tell them its dangerous to have a circus at the back of the motorcycle, and they think we're teasing them for being poor. :) And these are the people who think foreigners deserved and should "pay more" (not cheat ok?)...
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written by gerard toh, Mon 14 May 2007 20:19:38 MDT
well for one i am glad that there are ppl like you guys who wud go the extra mile to help others.

well ive been to bangkok 5 times now, and i haven gotten scammed once... well ppl have tried but its always doesnt make sense...

the worst ive gotten is that chatukchat is closed on saturdays...

but still cheers to ppl like u!
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written by Tamas, Mon 14 May 2007 20:20:35 MDT
Dizzying to think of the amount of scam attempts you guys came up against in the course of a day.

I wanted to add my own two cents and also a warning to anyone out there who might find it of use. Be wary of paying by credit card at tailor shops. Some friends visited me from Canada recently and a couple of them wanted to have some suits made while they were here.

We went to a place based on the recommendation of a fellow coworker - prices being reasonable and quality decent.

First, the store owner tried to talk them out of paying by credit card -- okay, I thought, that's kind of dodgy, but it was a small business and there is an added expense to doing that.

Finally, he agreed and my friend broke out his credit card. His assistant took a
carbon of my friend's card, then flipped
it over and proceeded to write down
the three-digit security number on the
back. There is no reason why a merchant
should need this when they have your
signature. Those three numbers are for
use when obtaining a signature is not
possible -- like on amazon etc.

My friend, a banker as the bad luck
of the scammer would have it, etched out
the security number and a brief,
unpleasant argument ensued. The owner was
quite concerned as I work in the media and began acting paranoid about the camera
I was carrying.

The shop is located inside the soi -- though not far from the corner -- on
Sukhumvit Soi 7. I would post the name
but that could perhaps get the webmaster
overly involved. Suffice it to say that the practice is common enough in these areas and reputable tailors who won't try stuff like this are very hard to come by. Watch your cards!
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written by Jackie, Mon 14 May 2007 20:20:51 MDT
Excellent blog Steve and Richard. I was tricked by these people too. I went to the Grand Palace on my last day in Thailand. I was told that the Palace was only open for Thai people for chanting. They said it would be open again at 3 p.m. when it would be free. He suggested I should go and see the Lucky Buddha. I stupidly went and ended up in a jewelery shop and tailors. By the time I came back it was too late to see the palace. I was very disapointed that I couldn't see the palace. I complained to the Tourist Authority at the airport and they promised to do something. This was one year ago. Makes me angry to hear that the same scam is still happening.
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written by oakmonster, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:05 MDT
Nice undercover work, gang! I'm glad you guys did it first hand. I'm sure it was tiring as hell.
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written by Aimee, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:17 MDT
Brilliant! Great stuff! Thank you for doing this. I just got back from my first thrip to Thailand and was proud to have avoided some of the scams yo mentioned (and probably fell prey to others I wasn't even aware of till I stumbled upon this blog via Google). I just posted the link to the tripadvisor website, which many people use as THE go-to tool for booking trips. What else do you write about? Just curious... Thanks.
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written by Dan, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:30 MDT
WHen i was with my friend at the grand palace, my friend got caught up with the bird lady as well. she thrust bird food into his hand and when he tossed it aside to get away, she came after him demanding money. In the end after so much fuss, he managed to walk away.

Also, at the grand palace theere was a very poor looking little girl ( she looked homeless to the extreme) and she came up asking for some money. my friend gave her ten baht. not sure if this is a scam or not.
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written by Craig in Canada, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:45 MDT
I have been reading all the blogs on this site for several days now, and I want to thank you for your work on uncovering or bringing to light some of these people and their scams (which happen in alot of countries). It can be very intimidating going to a new country, but after reading this information, I feel much better and less intimidated about travelling to Bangkok next year... so thank you again!
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written by UK student, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:03 MDT
They're not doing anything because these bastards are either bribing them with scammed money or threatening them with something.

I'm sure if a guy has the psychological skill to scam you, he can certainly convince a poor ol' soldier from Lopburi to shut up.
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written by Kitjar Sukjaidee, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:18 MDT
When I was in Bangkok, I fell for the scam too. They did not realised that I could understand EVERY single word they said!

I guess, when you can speak and understand Thai, it can be fun to pretend you do know a single word!

Look at the bright side, i bought NO single gem, and I got to see many parts of Krungthep by paying only 10 baht. Isn't that a good deal?

Oh yeah, I guess, the pressure to buy is just too great. BUt, a scam is a scam. How come TAT is not doing anything about this. SHAMEFUL!
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written by Carol, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:33 MDT
I fell for a scam when I visited Bangkok prior to moving here and ended up spending a very uncomfortable hour in a tailors shop. (The pressure to buy something was incredible (I didn't) but could quite easily have caved and bought something just so I could get out the place). If I ever hear someone being told that the Grand Palace (etc) is closed I always stop and tell them that the person talking to them is not telling them the truth, that this is a scam to get them to go into a Tailors or Jewellers so that they can get commission and that I live in Bangkok and have fallen for this myself and don't want anyone else to.

I kind of feel it's my duty to say something since no-one else does.
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written by Khun Don, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:48 MDT
Richard, Many thanks to you and Steve for taking the trouble-and the stress- to investigate tourist scams.
Maybe you should construct a special website to publish your experiences-and those of other visitors- to warn others and maybe, just maybe, make those in authority sit up and take notice of the damage such people do to the reputation of the country.
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written by Selba, Tue 15 May 2007 10:05:55 MDT
I'm wondering how about if tourist don't travel by themselves, instead using city tours? Will they also got scammed?
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written by Editor, Tue 15 May 2007 15:27:42 MDT
Tours we have joined usually advertise stops at workshops (i.e. for jewelry) so that you can see how it is made and then you have to exit through their shop. It is how they make their money. In fact, if they make so much money this way then the tours should really be free! When booking tours, always ask about the places you will visit. Ask if they plan to take you to a gem shop or tailors. If so, you are in your right to ask for a discount on the tour.
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written by BangkapiBoy, Mon 28 May 2007 15:51:54 MDT
The TAT really needs a kick in the butt. I can speak somewhat decent Thai, but I enjoy speaking English when possible. Last year I was at the official TAT sidewalk booth at Silom and Rama4. I asked the lady in English for a map they had behind the counter. She gave it to me and asked me if it is my first time to Thailand. I said yes, since I thought I may get better service because of this answer, rather than the true answer of no I have been here many years. So, I looked at the map, then asked for 2 more, since my mother was visiting soon and I wanted to be prepared. This is when she called me kee ngok to the other male worker there speaking in Thai. I then said kee ngok? She said you can speak Thai? I said yes. I then told her very harsh words, but all the while her back turned and she wouldn't face me, that she is rude and unprofessional. No response. I guess I had done something wrong by understanding Thai language.

Well done Richard and Steve.
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written by Smoker, Fri 08 Jun 2007 23:22:35 MDT
Very nice read, the exact same thing happened to me 2 years ago, went to the Grand Palace with a friend and a guy told us the same story. Sorry, today closed, blah blah. I hopefully had read about that somewhere (on the web or in the Lonely Planet), but if I didn't insist for keeping on going my friend would have returned to the hotel as he really believed the guy. It's a shame that lots of tourists must indeed get tricked this way and miss the opportunity to visit such a nice place.
My overall impression of Thailand was very good and I met some really nice and friendly people, it's too bad professional scammers like that ruin all the fun. Thanks for this website, I long for walking the Soi's again soon too...
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written by Antoni P. Uni, Fri 13 Jul 2007 22:59:49 MDT
Scam is not good and I am principally 100% against it. Double pricing either, even when it has been approved by the authorities like the entrance fees for the National Parks.
But we must be very careful to point only at Thailand because this kind of scam and double pricing has been spread all over Asia because of the widespread poverty. And indeed, the differences are for Farangs not that big and they pay. I can remember that when we wanted to buy some more expensive furniture in Indonesia we went to have a look and to make a choice whilst sending one day later an Indonesian (business)friend to settle the deal. Now, after 2 years living in Asia I am wondering how much that "friend" earned with that deal.
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written by Andrew Jackson, Tue 21 Aug 2007 17:35:59 MDT
This scam again involves being told that something is closed when it is not, with a view to redirecting the hapless tourist to something more profitable for the scammer.

This scam started (20 August 2007) before we even crossed the intersection to the Grand Place corner. Scammer No. 1 told use falsely where the main entrance was and then "helped" us across the road (it was the giant wooden door at the very corner of the enclosure. The scammers No. 2 & 3 were wearing yellow tops and were wearing official-looking ID badges.

Once across the road these two told us that the Grand Palace was closed for two hours (it was after 1pm) because "the monks were praying". Trying to remember everything that we had read about not believing anybody who says something is "closed" we resisted their overtures even though superficially it seemed somewhat reasonable, but strange nonetheless.

In any case we could see people streaming further up the road to what was obviously a main entrance and once we got there it was clear that nothing was closed at all (whether or not the monks were praying). We noted that the actual closure time was 3.30pm and so if we had listened to the scammers, we would have returned to find that the Palace was indeed closed.

So a Golden Rule of Bangkok scamming was again confirmed - Don't believe anyone who tells you that something is closed it's almost a certainty that it is not - you have to find out for yourself.

One other little tip not actually a scam, but ocurring at the same site. "Don't buy an item from the first person who offers it to you". It almost certainly will be available further up the road, and the first price will 'always' be higher. You can always go back and buy if that is not the case. In this case it was hand-made parasols - initial price was 400Baht, further up the road a stack of them for 100Baht (and barter anyway at that price).
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written by Mike, Tue 25 Sep 2007 18:22:34 MDT
You can not call the bird seller scammer. He overprice his service but this is not a scam. Same with the boat. You was talking to middlemen who wanna make the profit. Profit making is businnes not scam.
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written by kay, Thu 11 Oct 2007 17:31:04 MDT
the bird lady scam happened to me too
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written by Ian, Sun 02 Mar 2008 16:53:55 MST
haha - I must admit finding a strange humour in these scams; it made for a good story from my first visit to Bangkok. But only if you are aware of them before I guess.

I got the whole 10bht Budhist holiday deal; luckily I knew it was a scam from the word go (from a friend who lost $1000 at a jewelry shop a few years before). But I thought that it might be some fun; I got shown a few decent temples and one hell of a crazy tuk tuk ride.

One thing different that I haven't seen mentioned here, is that at one of the temples there was an English 'tourist'; who I initially took to be legit, but when I mentioned to him that I knew it was a scam. He became a little pushy and swore that he went on 10bht tuk tuk ride last year and that he came back to Thailand to go on it again !! After I got back to my tuk tuk, the driver was not so smiley & friendly anymore (and yes he was on his mobile). The tuk tuk driver ended up chucking me out in I-have-no-idea-where, and demaned his 10bht, which was fair enough for 3 temples and some crazy driving all other bangkok for 3 hours.

Since then, I have visited two more times but have been in more rural areas, where the people are genuingly helpful and friendly to the only farang in the village.
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written by baz, Sat 15 Mar 2008 14:57:21 MDT
Ian. Your last comment. Spot on.
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written by Bennyong.com, Tue 18 Mar 2008 23:14:01 MDT
Argh... I am getting frustrated reading this posts as it would have been good if I read it sooner!
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written by niko, Tue 08 Apr 2008 20:47:07 MDT
helo what a bout in oxford street the pick pocket a lot i hate you oll
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written by Vicente Fox, Wed 23 Apr 2008 22:23:48 MDT
I think one good solution will be to just act like you are recording your trip, and at the same time with a huge smile get this people on camera while they are trying to pull this scam and just tell them that you are getting them on video to show this video on the internet, so people around the world will see how the Thai people are so friendly and helpfull.
I think the more we expose these peoples faces on the internet , the more embarrased they will feel
about their criminal activities.

I'm just very happy that we can bring these criminals on video and pictures "online Justice" ,and that soon someone will provide access to everyone that wants to visit Thailand.
Youtube.com will be a good choice , but most people expose the bars and girls rather than the scams.

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written by theives and robbers, Wed 18 Jun 2008 09:41:40 MDT
scammers, yes there are a lot ... but in your own country, you will probalby be robbed or your wallet stolen or worse in big tourist places ... right ?

here at least, they try to let you give you the money yourself ...

nice to have some thai friend or people who can read/speak thai ... but .. what is the use of learning this language only spoken in this place.... none i guess, unless u live here
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written by Gaza, Wed 18 Jun 2008 13:48:46 MDT
Thailand is a loveley place, u simple minded people in ur little bubble, open ur eyes in ur own country and other countries, ITS EVERYWARE FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by grey, Thu 19 Jun 2008 14:05:46 MDT
pull your head in Gaza, just cause it's beautiful (fully agree) doesn't mean we can't highlight the scammers for others, and besides, it is very entertaining reading.
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written by Gaza, Thu 19 Jun 2008 14:22:02 MDT
Ur right it is entertaining looking at what small minded people put on here (very sad people)...
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written by Joe - Seattle, Thu 19 Jun 2008 22:37:19 MDT
Gaza I agree with Grey you should pull your head in, your a typical idiot.
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written by Jay, Thu 19 Jun 2008 23:26:27 MDT
Gaza,
It's everywhere but it doesn't mean, we can not discuss our experiences and alert others. And I agree with Joe, you are a typical idiot.
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written by Gaza, Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:05:20 MDT
LOL, yeah I am a idiot
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written by Gaza, Fri 20 Jun 2008 14:51:04 MDT
At least I dont chat to myself and make false names up lol
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written by Joe - Seattle, Sat 21 Jun 2008 02:21:32 MDT
Gazza this a forum to warn other tourists or potential visitors to Thailand of the various scams and how to protect themselves. It is not for inexperienced idiots with child like minds and a poor sense of humour. So do what Jay says and pull your head in.
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written by Gaza, Sun 22 Jun 2008 21:26:02 MDT
lol, I live here Joe, obviousley stil the same person i am speaking with wen ur claryfing Seattle lol...
Warn tourists of what? Things happen all around the world, go warn the world lol
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written by Gaza, Sun 22 Jun 2008 21:27:59 MDT
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Oh and for sense of humour, your biting to what I am saying lol...... keep doing it I have friends reading this and laughing everyday, so please keep up the good work and make us laugh every morning
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written by victim, Mon 23 Jun 2008 00:16:55 MDT
scams are everywhere? how come there are hundreds of web sites for scams in Thailand, I cant seem to find any for Russia England USA Poland Germany etc etc
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written by Joe - Seattle, Mon 23 Jun 2008 14:54:09 MDT
Hi Gaza, by the amount of times you say lol, you probably are an idiot, and as for living in Thailand, who cares, the person people are laughing at are you, your probably one of these old guys hanging out at Patpong or Nana every night mooching off tourists, you are probably a bit of a walter mitty also. Anyway enough of this, please read and digest the contents of my previous e mail
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written by marcus, Tue 24 Jun 2008 09:08:20 MDT
hey all - am heading back to bkk tomorrow, just wanted to check n see if there was anything new goin on. here's the thing, guys.. YES, many things in bkk are a scam; but most things in life are a freakin scam!
there're really only 2 reasons that these scams freak us (farangs) out. mainly, b/c they're unfamiliar. think abt it, we're accustomed to OUR scams so they don't scare us. e.g., the word "free", any word followed by an asterisk, fine print, 'misc fees', adjustable rate mortgages, car-buying, health insurance cos, just to name a few.
just familiarize yourself with these tricks, get wise, and deal with it like an american.. get pissed off & don't take crap just cuz you're abroad. DON'T be all paranoid & make yourself miserable! DO keep your head on straight.. when was the last time you even acknowledged some random person trying to talk to you on the street, let alone listened to what they were saying?! if you came here to dc & someone told you the smithsonians were closed but get in this cab & i'll take you somewhere cooler, would you do it? of course not! you'd say f*ck off & keep walking.
the second freaky element abt bkk is the lawlessness. u know the cops r corrupt & u really don't want to deal w/ them, if they're even real cops. & this is pretty freaky. but even this has a silver lining.. corruption cuts both ways. remember that a day or 2's wages for u is a LOT of money over there, & even if u get in2 some serious sh*t, u can probably buy ur way out. case in pt, giving a cop 150USD got me off driving w/o a license. u know that'd never fly at home.
just remember, keep your head on straight & assume you're just as likely to get screwed by a thai as an american. in fact, the farang who sold the thais these scams probably screwed them out of a couple extra baht! ;)
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written by clubsiam, Tue 24 Jun 2008 09:10:27 MDT

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/2486096190/

THAILAND TOURIST MAFIA.

I HAVE GATHERED A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL SCAMMERS WORKING AT THE ERAWAN SHRINE. YES! THOSE SAME PEOPLE, THAT YOU PUBLISHED THEIR PHOTOS ARE STILL SCAMMING VISITORS AT THE ERAWAN SHRINE..A YEAR AFTER I INFORMED THE TAT, TAC AND TOURIST POLICE.

THIS IS BECOMING A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR TOURISM THAT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED.
THIS SAME GANG HAS A TEAM AT EVERY TOURIST SPOT.
YES! THEY ARE ALL WORKING FOR THE SAME TOURIST MAFIA.
YESTERDAY, I SAW SEVERAL OF THIS GROUP AT THE CORNER OF SILOM AND RAMA 4, RIGHT AT THE MRT/BTS CROSSROADS. THEY ARE WORKING THEIR SCAMS ON VISITORS , STANDING NEXT TO THE MRT/BTS GUARDS!.ALSO, EASY TO SPOT THEIR TEAM AT SURIWONG AND RAMA 4, RIGHT NEXT TO THE POLICE BOX! ABOUT 5 OR 6 OF THEM ARE THERE EVERYDAY!
ALSO, THEY ARE STATIOND ON ALMOST EVERY CORNER ON SILOM RD TOO.
ALSO THEY HAVE THEM POSTED AT THE CORNER OF SUKHUMVIT SOIS NEAR HOTELS. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUU ON A TOUR AND SHOW YOU THESE CRIMINALS.
THEY RE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE.... ALSO VERY IMPOLITE AND INTIMIDATING.
USUALLY, THEY HAVE TUK TUK SCAMMERS FRIENDS PARKED NEARBY. IF YOU EVER SEE 3 OR 4 TUK TUKS PARKED, LOOK CAREFULLY FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SCAMMERS NEARBY, LYING TO TOURISTS.
THEY ARE ALL EMPLOYED BY THE SAME GEM SHOP. THIS SHOP MUST HAVE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS STATIONED AROUND BANGKOK.
I GUESS THE AVERAGE THAI HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THIS GANG, SACRIFICING THAILAND'S REPUTATION.
AS A FARANG IN THAILAND, I SEE DOZENS OF THESE SCAMMERS EVERY DAY.
IN FACT , IT IS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL.

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.
WHEN I LEAVE MY CONDO I PASS THE TUK TUK ON MY CORNER. HE AND SEVERAL MORE, OWN THIS CORNER AND TELL LIES TO TOIURISTS. THAT IS ALL THEY DO, NOT INTERESTED IN GIVING TRANSPORTATION. THEIR SLOE GOAL IS TO CHEAT TOURISTS!
..THEN ON MY WALK TO THE COFFEE SHOP, I SEE THE FAKE BEGGARS. YES, THE BEGGARS ARE DIVERTING DONATIONS TO THE POOR. THE FAKE BEGGARS ARE DISFIGURED, DISEASED ILL CAMBODIANS THAT ARE PLACED ALL OVER TOWN, EVERY MORNING AT 7AM. HUNDREDS OF THEM EARN MILLIONS FOR THE BEGGING MAFIA GANG. A MAN WITH A BIG GOLD CHAIN DROPS THEM OFF. THEY CONTROL THE SIDEWALKS.
TEHN , AS I CONTINUE, MY MORNING WALK, I SEE FAKE MONKS! YES, FAKE MONKS HASSELING TOURISTS. THEY EVEN WALK INTO RESTAURANTS AND BARD BEGGING TOURISTS!
...THEN, AS I CONTINUE DOWN THE SOI, I SEE THE FAKE STUDENTS DOING A FAKE SURVEY. THEY WEAR 'AMAZING THAILAND SHIRTS AND TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE STUDENATS DOING A TAT SURVEY!
IN FACT THEY ARE LYING TO TOURISTS. THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 OF THESE FAKE STUDENTS HASSELING TOURISTS! ALONG SUKHUMVIT/SILOM.
NEXT ARE THE "LITTERING POLICE'
THESE POLICE ARE STATIONED ALONG SUKHUMVIT AND STALK TOURISTS/FARANGS AND CHARGE THEM 2000 THB FOR THROWING A CIGARETTE BUTT ON THE FILTHY SIDEWALK.
THEU ARE TAGGING QUITE A FEW TOURISTS EVERY HOUR. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY!
WAIT, I'M NOT THRU YET!
THE POLICE RECENTLY HAVE STARTED DOING RANDOM SEARCHES ON TOURISTS ALONG SUKHUMVIT IN THE SOI 22 AREA.
THE THONG LOR POLICE ARE RIPPING OF TOURISTS ALL DAY IN THIS AREA.

THAILANDS REPUTATION IS GOING INTO THE TOILET AND THE TAT, TAC, TOURIST POLICE DO NOTHING!
MANY BELIEVE THE TOURIST POLICE ARE INVOLVED IN THE SCAMMING TOO!

THANKS FOR READING. I HOPE SOMBODY WILL DO SOMTHING SOON!

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written by Ling, Tue 24 Jun 2008 10:04:04 MDT
Thank u so much Clubsiam...
Your comments n effort really help us alot! :)
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written by Ling, Tue 24 Jun 2008 10:14:30 MDT
Gaza... U r indeed the geatest fool n idiot! Haha...
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written by irene, Tue 24 Jun 2008 12:01:33 MDT
wow clubsiam, I like your condo, must be some extremely prestigious condo at a very high class location if not the mafia wun stage such a big drama outside ur area. From the tuk tuk to the beggars to the monks to the students and to the police, seem like some HK detectives movies plot.

Anyway I agreed with what "thieves and robbers" said, at least they try to get you to give them money yourself, there are so many cases of robberies and murder in other countries too. I wonder why there isnt any website on Malaysia since there are so many robberies cases on highway and even shopping mall and many times they hurt or killed the victim. As compared, it is definitely a much worse scenario. Is BKK the only country with corruption? I guess everyone has the answer so I dun understand why is the focus only on BKK? The only reason I can think of is because BKK is a far more popular place than any other parts of the world, no doubt Gaza might be a bit offensive but what he said is true, scams are everyway even in a law-abiding country like Singapore and yes, overpricing is not a scam, it is business, they have the right to decide on the selling price, the same goes to the tourist, they have the right to decide on the buying price. So if they bought it willingly, why is it a scam?
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written by Joe - Seattle, Tue 24 Jun 2008 12:39:58 MDT
Club Siam, thanks for the information, you are 100% right and I totally agree with you, I have previously lived in Thailand and the reason I left was because of the constant scamming, yes from the monks, ( male and female ) to the tuk tuk drivers and beggars, in Bangkok it is very much in your face 24 hrs a day, and it is unsettling to know that the police are also out there trying to scam you, and lets not forget, the Thai police have one of the worst human rights records in the world. And you still get idiots like Gaza treating this site as if its a joke. Well done clubsiam, keep up the good work in warning tourists and expats alike.
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written by irene, Tue 24 Jun 2008 13:06:41 MDT
anyway after reading most of the comments here, i would still like to say BKK is still a safe country even though its filled with 'Scammers" actually we can avoid it by just smiling and walk away, I guess they wun chase after you (cause I always manage to get out of it by doing so) Always remember there is no free lunch in this world, when someone offered you a service, they are definitely expecting some return, unless the person is your friend of course, you cun be that naive to really believe BKK is a City of Angels, do you?

Many comments and scams here reported that they even followed the stranger home to talk about their daughter or whoever is going to that particular country to study. I do salute to the farang's for their enthusiam and courage for we can never know what will happen in the person's house but still, the person did come out alive and manage to leave a comment here.

I am not encouraging the acts of the scammers but I do think there is nothing we can do about it, it is their culture, it is their country. Nevertheless, I do love BKK a lot and the scams doesnt at all affect my opinion of it thus I will definitely keep returning there. Of course, for those who are so stressed up by the scammers, I suggest you do stay in your own country, home sweet home...
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written by John ex pat, Tue 24 Jun 2008 14:24:49 MDT
Irene, I respect your comments but strongly disagree, there is a high number of deaths each year of farangs in Thailand, lets not forget the rape of Farang women in Samui and Chang Mai and more recently rape and murder of young Swedish woman in Phuket, the murder of 2 young women in Jomtien last year, the weekly reported deaths of Farangs in Pattaya and Phuket. Also the murder by the Thai royal police force of the young British Couple in River Kwai area, the murder by the Thai police of the Canadian woman in Chang Mai last year, the daily muggings and bag snatching of tourists in Pattaya, this is all factual and widely reported. So although I love Thai people and Thai culture, the days are gone where it should be called the land of smiles. All the above are factual and can be traced if you look at previous editorials from local and international newspapers.

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