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Tourist Scams in Bangkok
Wednesday, 11 April 2007

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A scammer offering you a bath at Wat Inthawawihan

I have been to Bangkok many times. I have heard people talk about all these scams but I have never once knowingly been scammed. The place where I parked the car on Sunday with our Steve was exactly where I have parked before. It is my base for exploring the area. I then either walk or go by tuk tuk. Never have I been approached by scam artists. I went there with Steve, we took about a dozen steps away from the car and then the vultures starting swooping in for the kill. As one guy was showing Steve places on the map, I could see other scammers circling in the distance. For the following three hours we just went from one scam to the next. It was relentless. So, why this sudden interest? Did we have a sign above our heads that said something like “fresh off the boat”? I of course blame our Steve. He was so dressed the part as a tourist. Cap, t-shirt, sunglasses, shorts and rucksack. But, I think the clincher was the map. I don’t think they would have approached us if Steve wasn’t holding a map. This was an essential prop to their scam. They needed to give us suggestions of different places we could visit. The only thing that we didn’t have was a piece of paper. For some reason all of them wanted to write these destinations down for us.

Recently, Steve gave us a rundown of  The Great Tuk Tuk Scam. What I will do today is give you some of the side-scams. The first one was at Wat Inthawawihan. This has a large 32 metre high Standing Buddha. The scammers call this place the Big Buddha. I hadn’t been to that place for a long time. Although the Buddha image was beautiful (and around the back there was an interesting row of Buddhas for each day of the week) I will now boycott this temple. Why? Because it is a scammers temple. Take a look at the sign in the top picture. Release the birds in the cage for 90 baht. He must be joking. At the most it should be 20 baht. But, that is beside the point. If you ever go to a temple, please do not pay money to release birds or fish. This is cruelty to the highest extreme. Many abbots of temples have banned these people from their grounds. This is not a Buddhist practice. You are supposed to be making merit by releasing the birds. But, by doing so, you are encouraging this vendor to catch and cage more wild animals. The abbot of Wat Inthawaihan should be ashamed of himself. Not only allowing this vendor to be on his grounds, but allowing this scam artist to trick foreigners into paying 90 baht. I am sorry, but I feel very strongly on this matter.

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No Photo, I am the Security Guard – Wat Sitaram

Not far from the Golden Mount, there is a temple hidden away that goes by the name of Wat Sitaram. I was pleasantly surprised at the beauty of the Buddha images here. I was happily snapping away when this seedy little guy approached us. His English was quite good which is always a giveaway. SCAM ARTIST 100%. The second clue is that Thai people do not usually approach complete strangers in the street. He was quite friendly at first and explained a few rules. He said he was the security guard and that as we weren’t Buddhists we weren’t allowed to take any photos. I was perplexed and said to him that I have never been to a temple where you weren’t allowed to take photos in the temple grounds. I said, where does it say you cannot take a photo? He then pointed to a sign behind me. Now, I have taken pictures of hundreds of signs for our LearningThai.com website. I have seen many signs that say “no photos” in Thai. This one most definitely was not saying that. In fact it was talking about Dharma. So, I took a quick photo for later reference. Then the guy got angry and said, “I told you not to take pictures.”

I think by this time he realized there was something suspicious about us. We had deviated away from the script. This guy was supposed to befriend us and mention that by chance there was a one day sale at the local government run tailor/gem shop. “Oh really?”, we were supposed to reply. “What a coincidence, our tuk tuk driver was about to take us there. You know, at first we thought the tuk tuk guy was scamming us, but as you are saying the same thing then in must be true.” Then he would have said, “Well, you better not delay in this temple much longer taking pictures, you should rush to the government run tailor shop before they close. They are only open once a year.” I am sorry, but this guy was so extremely rude to us. I have never met anyone like him in my life. This guy was a scammer big time and this temple was his lair. If the abbot knows about this scammer then he should be ashamed of himself. I really want to go back to this temple, but I honestly think that the only way that I can avoid this guy is if I speak Thai to him.

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The Bird Lady giving Steve the Victory Sign

For the first two hours, we were being scammed almost non-stop. Not only by the tuk tuk driver with his broken promises and outright lies, but scam artists that we met along the way. And amongst them I do include the tailor shop and the jewelry shop that we visited. Scammers the whole lot of them. They all should be ashamed. Anyway, we finally managed to persuade the guy to take us to the Grand Palace. The last time I came here from the place where I parked my car it was about 40 baht in a tuk tuk. Today it cost only 10 baht. Of course, we had a slight deviation away from the route which took us two hours. But, along the way we visited two temples, had some refreshments (we could have had a cold beer apparently), and had the run of some really nice toilet facilities. Not so bad, until we later found out that we were scammed. Another tuk tuk driver later offered the same “scam tour” for only 5 baht! Of course, they probably would have done it for free as they were only interested in getting their fat commission for taking us to these shops.

Anyway, moving on. I was a bit tired by this time and wanted a break before the next scam. I think we walked literally two steps before we were thrown into the middle of the next scam. This involved the Bird Lady. I think I was sill a little dazed from our previous scam so didn’t really understand why this fat lady kept thrusting half empty bags of bird food into my hands. She then gestured for me to feed the birds. I thought rather strange. Maybe this was a Thai custom of welcome to foreigners to the palace of His Majesty the King. So, I took her advice and scattered a few seeds on the floor. “More, more,” she encouraged us. Steve didn’t really want anything to do with her as she was getting really pushy. So, in the end, just to make her happy, I took the little plastic bags and threw the contents to her birds on the ground. I then gave back to her the bags and we started to walk on towards the Palace. “Twenty baht. You give me Twenty baht!” Oh what. You must be kidding. Can’t we at least have a short break between scams? The only way we got rid of her in the end was when I started taking pictures of her. That is when she started swearing at us in Thai. I would like to remind you again that all of this was happening in front of the Grand Palace.

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Don’t tell anyone else, I can give you special price of only 1,000 baht each

We darted across the road and were immediately confronted by people selling oriental umbrellas. “400 baht. Only 400 baht for you Madame.” No thank, you. And anyway, I am not Madame, I am Mister. I smiled at her. “OK, I like your smile. For you, only 300 baht.” No, it is alright, I am really not interested. “Mister, I need to buy milk for my baby.” Then about 100 metres further down the road she said, “Alright, I give you special price Mister. 150 baht.” By this time I was tired and hungry. I said to Steve lets go and get something to eat near the pier. Two more steps and then “Boat mister, you want a boat. Only 1,000 baht each person.” As there were two of us, this meant 2,000 baht. As you know, I was here the other week with my brother and we paid 600 for the both of us. I told Steve that I wanted to check this out as for some reason the prices seemed much higher than what I had been told before. Maybe because we were still only speaking English. I said “no” to this guy and kept walking.

Up front I spotted another women that seemed to be herding us towards the right hand side of the pier. She hadn’t actually approached us yet, but as she kept glancing back I knew she was a scammer. I whispered to Steve to quickly do a left turn to see what she would do. “Mister, mister, you cannot go that way!” I thought she must be joking. There were two entrances to the pier. I could choose either. “You no go that way. That is one way.” That was absolute rubbish and a complete lie. She just wanted to stop us going to a rival boat owner. I had enough by this time. There were too many scams one after the other. Each one was very much in our faces. I told Steve that we need to break cover if only for a lunch break. So, we found a nice little food shop near the pier, and Steve, in perfect colloquial Thai, ordered us some lunch. I asked how much for two dishes ove the rice and we were told “30 baht”. That sounded about right. At last we could relax. We really needed to recharge our batteries as we were about to walk the complete perimeter of the Grand Palace.

Scammer

The Grand Palace is closed at the moment, I will take you to these other places first and then when you come back at 3 p.m. you will see that the Grand Palace is free!

Now, before I continue, I just want to pause and say that not all Thai people here are scam artists. In two different locations I asked a couple of vendors in English how much a bottle of water was. They both said “10 baht” which is a fair price. There is hope left. Now let’s continue with the scams. We were first approached near the exit to the Grand Palace. As the scammer was busy telling Steve that the Grand Palace was closed today I snapped a few photos of a sign next to him that said in English and Thai: “Don’t trust strangers. The Grand Palace is open every day.” He then proceeded to tell us about the Big Buddha and the Lucky Buddha. He said he could arrange for 40 baht to take us there and then bring us back here at 3 p.m. when the Grand Palace would be opened for free! Wow! We carried on walking. Fifty steps later and we had another similar offer. This was right in front of the palace. Hey dude, I am not blind, I can see people going inside! Do you think we look stupid or something? We carried on walking because Steve was trying to find a jewelry scam guy.

The third and fourth scammer said much the same. Apparently we were in luck because the Big Buddha is only open this one day of the year. We declined all of their offers because they wanted to take us to the same places we had just been to. We were now walking down the east side of the Grand Palace towards Wat Pho. In the distance Steve spotted a smart guy in a shirt and tie. This looked like the gem shop scammer. As we approached him Steve got out his map hoping to get a bite. No luck. It then dawned on us. We were the wrong kind of tourists. We were too shabbily dressed. This guy was only looking for big spenders for the gem shops. Not backpackers. When we rounded the corner of the Grand Palace, the story of the scammers changed slightly. “Today Wat Pho closed for special ceremony. You go to Lucky Buddha. It is only open this one day.” We kept on walking around the next corner and back towards our starting point. The first scammer on this side pointed to a closed door and said “Look see the Grand Palace is closed today.” Yeah right. This is the private entrance.

I think by this time we were both really annoyed by the utter contempt and lies that were spewing out of the mouths of these guys. They called themselves Thais but were lying about the palace of their revered King. Did they not have any respect for H.M. The King? Shame on them all. At this last one, in the picture above, I whispered to Steve to keep this guy busy while I went and had a chat in Thai with the soldier on guard duty. I asked him if the Grand Palace was really closed today. He said no, it is open. Then I said, why is that guy over there saying that it is closed? Is he lying? Then for some treason he started getting nervous and changed his story. The Grand Palace is closed today, he said. Are you sure? Then he told me to go and speak to his supervisor. However, by that time the scammer knew the game was up and had already departed. Steve said that he had spotted me talking to the guard and quickly changed his tact to being a helpful stranger who was just giving directions. Shame on that soldier for not stopping what was so obviously a scam.

This is not a new phenomenon. These exact scams have been going on here for many years. Everyone knows about it. The Tourist Authority of Thailand knows about it. But the soldiers on duty and the TAT allow it to continue. Shame on them all. I feel so sorry for the tourists who come here on their last day only to be told that the Grand Palace is closed. And then they are taken on a wild ride to some shameful temples and scamming shops. I am sorry, but this day was so distressing and overpowering. None of these so called Thai people had any respect for H.M. The King. How dare they stand in front and lie to tourists that his Grand Palace is closed. Something must be done. Will it? Sadly, it is very doubtful.

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written by cs120ban, Sun 13 May 2007 14:26:41 CDT
wow a lot of scammers. I'll be very careful when I head to thailand.
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written by trickythefirst, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:11 CDT
Hi fascinating column,

I think Thailand s a great country and got scammed the first time there on a stopover, thr usual tuk-tuk scam re tailor/jewellry store, my friends had warned me but he grinded me down.

Been back several times now and on first visit nearly fell for Palace closed even though loads of people going in, when a guy with good english is giving you flannel you almost believe him.

As far i can see other than the tuk-tuks ( who are fab generally ) who you simply make a simple excuse or say no thanks are fine and touts who try sell accomodation in bangkok/chiang mai/islands etc.if someone approaches you at a site of interest means they want something from you ( ie don't believe them).a great country with fantastic people,food and beer. A very small minority let it down but not enough to stop me personaaly returning whether holiday or travelling. Thanks
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written by gnarlykitty, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:26 CDT
Best blog post ever!
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written by jeremy, Mon 14 May 2007 20:17:58 CDT
great blog! the scammers are so open about what they're doing that it's truly shameless.

recently my girlfriend and i needed to go to the airport. i had spoken with her about taxis trying not to use meters and she told me that as a thai she wouldn't have any issues.

as i was checking out of our hotel she got a taxi ready and our bags were loaded. as we pulled onto the highway i saw the meter wasn't switched on. sure enough, the driver wanted 400 baht to go to the airport.

the look on her face was priceless! almost (but not quite) worth the premium.
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written by Dalang, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:14 CDT
Scam, scam, scam. It is everywhere. It is a good job that you guys are trying to expose them. It is sad to see this happen in my country. I was a victim myself.
It is not just Foreigners or Rich Bangkokians who are pested by these lowly beings.

I don't think that we, the Thais, should pretend that this does not happen. If you go to Mochit or Hua Lampong and Bang Sue train stations, you will see that they also traget at the poor Thais from the countryside.


The best thing to do is to expose such a practice and campaign against it. Being poor is not a good enough justification for these people to behave like this!
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written by Johan, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:34 CDT
Now, this really calls for a 'crackdown', doesn't it?

Seriously, it is a shame that the scam-artists are allowed to operate so freely. The in-your-face scammers really depreciate the tourist experience.

One of my strongest memories after a visit to Chiang Mai is of a tuk-tuk driver letting me know what a moron I was when I refused to buy anything at some far-away diamond store I had NOT asked to go. After I convinced the son-of-a-gun to take me back to the hotel (not many other transport options), he had the nerves to take me to some Indian tailor scam store as well on the way back. The chance of me getting into a physical fight with this guy seemed pretty high at the time, so I don't remember it as a funny curiosity. Hope his tuk-tuk breaks down badly some day.
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written by paul_au, Mon 14 May 2007 20:18:54 CDT
Reminds me of a scam on my female Thai friend. I arrived at the grounds near the king rama V statue for a university graduation ceremony in a Taxi, as I got out of the Taxi, this woman pined a flower to my shirt, then she pined a flower to my female friends top, obviously she did not speak English, and I walked off, so she asked my Thai friend to pay for both my flower and her flower, latter my Thai friend told me she was scammed by this Thai woman and made her feel obligated to pay for both our flowers, I told her she should have just walked off and not paid, any way I offered to pay my friend the 120 baht for my flower but she would not except the offer even though I insisted, because I new that this cost her about a days wages.
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written by BUCKY, Mon 14 May 2007 20:19:15 CDT
Its like you tell them its dangerous to have a circus at the back of the motorcycle, and they think we're teasing them for being poor. :) And these are the people who think foreigners deserved and should "pay more" (not cheat ok?)...
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written by gerard toh, Mon 14 May 2007 20:19:38 CDT
well for one i am glad that there are ppl like you guys who wud go the extra mile to help others.

well ive been to bangkok 5 times now, and i haven gotten scammed once... well ppl have tried but its always doesnt make sense...

the worst ive gotten is that chatukchat is closed on saturdays...

but still cheers to ppl like u!
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written by Tamas, Mon 14 May 2007 20:20:35 CDT
Dizzying to think of the amount of scam attempts you guys came up against in the course of a day.

I wanted to add my own two cents and also a warning to anyone out there who might find it of use. Be wary of paying by credit card at tailor shops. Some friends visited me from Canada recently and a couple of them wanted to have some suits made while they were here.

We went to a place based on the recommendation of a fellow coworker - prices being reasonable and quality decent.

First, the store owner tried to talk them out of paying by credit card -- okay, I thought, that's kind of dodgy, but it was a small business and there is an added expense to doing that.

Finally, he agreed and my friend broke out his credit card. His assistant took a
carbon of my friend's card, then flipped
it over and proceeded to write down
the three-digit security number on the
back. There is no reason why a merchant
should need this when they have your
signature. Those three numbers are for
use when obtaining a signature is not
possible -- like on amazon etc.

My friend, a banker as the bad luck
of the scammer would have it, etched out
the security number and a brief,
unpleasant argument ensued. The owner was
quite concerned as I work in the media and began acting paranoid about the camera
I was carrying.

The shop is located inside the soi -- though not far from the corner -- on
Sukhumvit Soi 7. I would post the name
but that could perhaps get the webmaster
overly involved. Suffice it to say that the practice is common enough in these areas and reputable tailors who won't try stuff like this are very hard to come by. Watch your cards!
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written by Jackie, Mon 14 May 2007 20:20:51 CDT
Excellent blog Steve and Richard. I was tricked by these people too. I went to the Grand Palace on my last day in Thailand. I was told that the Palace was only open for Thai people for chanting. They said it would be open again at 3 p.m. when it would be free. He suggested I should go and see the Lucky Buddha. I stupidly went and ended up in a jewelery shop and tailors. By the time I came back it was too late to see the palace. I was very disapointed that I couldn't see the palace. I complained to the Tourist Authority at the airport and they promised to do something. This was one year ago. Makes me angry to hear that the same scam is still happening.
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written by oakmonster, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:05 CDT
Nice undercover work, gang! I'm glad you guys did it first hand. I'm sure it was tiring as hell.
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written by Aimee, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:17 CDT
Brilliant! Great stuff! Thank you for doing this. I just got back from my first thrip to Thailand and was proud to have avoided some of the scams yo mentioned (and probably fell prey to others I wasn't even aware of till I stumbled upon this blog via Google). I just posted the link to the tripadvisor website, which many people use as THE go-to tool for booking trips. What else do you write about? Just curious... Thanks.
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written by Dan, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:30 CDT
WHen i was with my friend at the grand palace, my friend got caught up with the bird lady as well. she thrust bird food into his hand and when he tossed it aside to get away, she came after him demanding money. In the end after so much fuss, he managed to walk away.

Also, at the grand palace theere was a very poor looking little girl ( she looked homeless to the extreme) and she came up asking for some money. my friend gave her ten baht. not sure if this is a scam or not.
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written by Craig in Canada, Mon 14 May 2007 20:21:45 CDT
I have been reading all the blogs on this site for several days now, and I want to thank you for your work on uncovering or bringing to light some of these people and their scams (which happen in alot of countries). It can be very intimidating going to a new country, but after reading this information, I feel much better and less intimidated about travelling to Bangkok next year... so thank you again!
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written by UK student, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:03 CDT
They're not doing anything because these bastards are either bribing them with scammed money or threatening them with something.

I'm sure if a guy has the psychological skill to scam you, he can certainly convince a poor ol' soldier from Lopburi to shut up.
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written by Kitjar Sukjaidee, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:18 CDT
When I was in Bangkok, I fell for the scam too. They did not realised that I could understand EVERY single word they said!

I guess, when you can speak and understand Thai, it can be fun to pretend you do know a single word!

Look at the bright side, i bought NO single gem, and I got to see many parts of Krungthep by paying only 10 baht. Isn't that a good deal?

Oh yeah, I guess, the pressure to buy is just too great. BUt, a scam is a scam. How come TAT is not doing anything about this. SHAMEFUL!
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written by Carol, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:33 CDT
I fell for a scam when I visited Bangkok prior to moving here and ended up spending a very uncomfortable hour in a tailors shop. (The pressure to buy something was incredible (I didn't) but could quite easily have caved and bought something just so I could get out the place). If I ever hear someone being told that the Grand Palace (etc) is closed I always stop and tell them that the person talking to them is not telling them the truth, that this is a scam to get them to go into a Tailors or Jewellers so that they can get commission and that I live in Bangkok and have fallen for this myself and don't want anyone else to.

I kind of feel it's my duty to say something since no-one else does.
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written by Khun Don, Mon 14 May 2007 20:22:48 CDT
Richard, Many thanks to you and Steve for taking the trouble-and the stress- to investigate tourist scams.
Maybe you should construct a special website to publish your experiences-and those of other visitors- to warn others and maybe, just maybe, make those in authority sit up and take notice of the damage such people do to the reputation of the country.
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written by Selba, Tue 15 May 2007 10:05:55 CDT
I'm wondering how about if tourist don't travel by themselves, instead using city tours? Will they also got scammed?
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written by Editor, Tue 15 May 2007 15:27:42 CDT
Tours we have joined usually advertise stops at workshops (i.e. for jewelry) so that you can see how it is made and then you have to exit through their shop. It is how they make their money. In fact, if they make so much money this way then the tours should really be free! When booking tours, always ask about the places you will visit. Ask if they plan to take you to a gem shop or tailors. If so, you are in your right to ask for a discount on the tour.
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written by BangkapiBoy, Mon 28 May 2007 15:51:54 CDT
The TAT really needs a kick in the butt. I can speak somewhat decent Thai, but I enjoy speaking English when possible. Last year I was at the official TAT sidewalk booth at Silom and Rama4. I asked the lady in English for a map they had behind the counter. She gave it to me and asked me if it is my first time to Thailand. I said yes, since I thought I may get better service because of this answer, rather than the true answer of no I have been here many years. So, I looked at the map, then asked for 2 more, since my mother was visiting soon and I wanted to be prepared. This is when she called me kee ngok to the other male worker there speaking in Thai. I then said kee ngok? She said you can speak Thai? I said yes. I then told her very harsh words, but all the while her back turned and she wouldn't face me, that she is rude and unprofessional. No response. I guess I had done something wrong by understanding Thai language.

Well done Richard and Steve.
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written by Smoker, Fri 08 Jun 2007 23:22:35 CDT
Very nice read, the exact same thing happened to me 2 years ago, went to the Grand Palace with a friend and a guy told us the same story. Sorry, today closed, blah blah. I hopefully had read about that somewhere (on the web or in the Lonely Planet), but if I didn't insist for keeping on going my friend would have returned to the hotel as he really believed the guy. It's a shame that lots of tourists must indeed get tricked this way and miss the opportunity to visit such a nice place.
My overall impression of Thailand was very good and I met some really nice and friendly people, it's too bad professional scammers like that ruin all the fun. Thanks for this website, I long for walking the Soi's again soon too...
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written by Antoni P. Uni, Fri 13 Jul 2007 22:59:49 CDT
Scam is not good and I am principally 100% against it. Double pricing either, even when it has been approved by the authorities like the entrance fees for the National Parks.
But we must be very careful to point only at Thailand because this kind of scam and double pricing has been spread all over Asia because of the widespread poverty. And indeed, the differences are for Farangs not that big and they pay. I can remember that when we wanted to buy some more expensive furniture in Indonesia we went to have a look and to make a choice whilst sending one day later an Indonesian (business)friend to settle the deal. Now, after 2 years living in Asia I am wondering how much that "friend" earned with that deal.
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written by Andrew Jackson, Tue 21 Aug 2007 17:35:59 CDT
This scam again involves being told that something is closed when it is not, with a view to redirecting the hapless tourist to something more profitable for the scammer.

This scam started (20 August 2007) before we even crossed the intersection to the Grand Place corner. Scammer No. 1 told use falsely where the main entrance was and then "helped" us across the road (it was the giant wooden door at the very corner of the enclosure. The scammers No. 2 & 3 were wearing yellow tops and were wearing official-looking ID badges.

Once across the road these two told us that the Grand Palace was closed for two hours (it was after 1pm) because "the monks were praying". Trying to remember everything that we had read about not believing anybody who says something is "closed" we resisted their overtures even though superficially it seemed somewhat reasonable, but strange nonetheless.

In any case we could see people streaming further up the road to what was obviously a main entrance and once we got there it was clear that nothing was closed at all (whether or not the monks were praying). We noted that the actual closure time was 3.30pm and so if we had listened to the scammers, we would have returned to find that the Palace was indeed closed.

So a Golden Rule of Bangkok scamming was again confirmed - Don't believe anyone who tells you that something is closed it's almost a certainty that it is not - you have to find out for yourself.

One other little tip not actually a scam, but ocurring at the same site. "Don't buy an item from the first person who offers it to you". It almost certainly will be available further up the road, and the first price will 'always' be higher. You can always go back and buy if that is not the case. In this case it was hand-made parasols - initial price was 400Baht, further up the road a stack of them for 100Baht (and barter anyway at that price).
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written by Mike, Tue 25 Sep 2007 18:22:34 CDT
You can not call the bird seller scammer. He overprice his service but this is not a scam. Same with the boat. You was talking to middlemen who wanna make the profit. Profit making is businnes not scam.
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written by kay, Thu 11 Oct 2007 17:31:04 CDT
the bird lady scam happened to me too
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written by Ian, Sun 02 Mar 2008 16:53:55 CST
haha - I must admit finding a strange humour in these scams; it made for a good story from my first visit to Bangkok. But only if you are aware of them before I guess.

I got the whole 10bht Budhist holiday deal; luckily I knew it was a scam from the word go (from a friend who lost $1000 at a jewelry shop a few years before). But I thought that it might be some fun; I got shown a few decent temples and one hell of a crazy tuk tuk ride.

One thing different that I haven't seen mentioned here, is that at one of the temples there was an English 'tourist'; who I initially took to be legit, but when I mentioned to him that I knew it was a scam. He became a little pushy and swore that he went on 10bht tuk tuk ride last year and that he came back to Thailand to go on it again !! After I got back to my tuk tuk, the driver was not so smiley & friendly anymore (and yes he was on his mobile). The tuk tuk driver ended up chucking me out in I-have-no-idea-where, and demaned his 10bht, which was fair enough for 3 temples and some crazy driving all other bangkok for 3 hours.

Since then, I have visited two more times but have been in more rural areas, where the people are genuingly helpful and friendly to the only farang in the village.
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written by baz, Sat 15 Mar 2008 14:57:21 CDT
Ian. Your last comment. Spot on.
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written by Bennyong.com, Tue 18 Mar 2008 23:14:01 CDT
Argh... I am getting frustrated reading this posts as it would have been good if I read it sooner!
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written by niko, Tue 08 Apr 2008 20:47:07 CDT
helo what a bout in oxford street the pick pocket a lot i hate you oll
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written by Vicente Fox, Wed 23 Apr 2008 22:23:48 CDT
I think one good solution will be to just act like you are recording your trip, and at the same time with a huge smile get this people on camera while they are trying to pull this scam and just tell them that you are getting them on video to show this video on the internet, so people around the world will see how the Thai people are so friendly and helpfull.
I think the more we expose these peoples faces on the internet , the more embarrased they will feel
about their criminal activities.

I'm just very happy that we can bring these criminals on video and pictures "online Justice" ,and that soon someone will provide access to everyone that wants to visit Thailand.
Youtube.com will be a good choice , but most people expose the bars and girls rather than the scams.

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written by theives and robbers, Wed 18 Jun 2008 09:41:40 CDT
scammers, yes there are a lot ... but in your own country, you will probalby be robbed or your wallet stolen or worse in big tourist places ... right ?

here at least, they try to let you give you the money yourself ...

nice to have some thai friend or people who can read/speak thai ... but .. what is the use of learning this language only spoken in this place.... none i guess, unless u live here
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written by Gaza, Wed 18 Jun 2008 13:48:46 CDT
Thailand is a loveley place, u simple minded people in ur little bubble, open ur eyes in ur own country and other countries, ITS EVERYWARE FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by grey, Thu 19 Jun 2008 14:05:46 CDT
pull your head in Gaza, just cause it's beautiful (fully agree) doesn't mean we can't highlight the scammers for others, and besides, it is very entertaining reading.
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written by Gaza, Thu 19 Jun 2008 14:22:02 CDT
Ur right it is entertaining looking at what small minded people put on here (very sad people)...
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written by Joe - Seattle, Thu 19 Jun 2008 22:37:19 CDT
Gaza I agree with Grey you should pull your head in, your a typical idiot.
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written by Jay, Thu 19 Jun 2008 23:26:27 CDT
Gaza,
It's everywhere but it doesn't mean, we can not discuss our experiences and alert others. And I agree with Joe, you are a typical idiot.
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written by Gaza, Fri 20 Jun 2008 09:05:20 CDT
LOL, yeah I am a idiot
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written by Gaza, Fri 20 Jun 2008 14:51:04 CDT
At least I dont chat to myself and make false names up lol
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written by Joe - Seattle, Sat 21 Jun 2008 02:21:32 CDT
Gazza this a forum to warn other tourists or potential visitors to Thailand of the various scams and how to protect themselves. It is not for inexperienced idiots with child like minds and a poor sense of humour. So do what Jay says and pull your head in.
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written by Gaza, Sun 22 Jun 2008 21:26:02 CDT
lol, I live here Joe, obviousley stil the same person i am speaking with wen ur claryfing Seattle lol...
Warn tourists of what? Things happen all around the world, go warn the world lol
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written by Gaza, Sun 22 Jun 2008 21:27:59 CDT
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Oh and for sense of humour, your biting to what I am saying lol...... keep doing it I have friends reading this and laughing everyday, so please keep up the good work and make us laugh every morning
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written by victim, Mon 23 Jun 2008 00:16:55 CDT
scams are everywhere? how come there are hundreds of web sites for scams in Thailand, I cant seem to find any for Russia England USA Poland Germany etc etc
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written by Joe - Seattle, Mon 23 Jun 2008 14:54:09 CDT
Hi Gaza, by the amount of times you say lol, you probably are an idiot, and as for living in Thailand, who cares, the person people are laughing at are you, your probably one of these old guys hanging out at Patpong or Nana every night mooching off tourists, you are probably a bit of a walter mitty also. Anyway enough of this, please read and digest the contents of my previous e mail
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written by marcus, Tue 24 Jun 2008 09:08:20 CDT
hey all - am heading back to bkk tomorrow, just wanted to check n see if there was anything new goin on. here's the thing, guys.. YES, many things in bkk are a scam; but most things in life are a freakin scam!
there're really only 2 reasons that these scams freak us (farangs) out. mainly, b/c they're unfamiliar. think abt it, we're accustomed to OUR scams so they don't scare us. e.g., the word "free", any word followed by an asterisk, fine print, 'misc fees', adjustable rate mortgages, car-buying, health insurance cos, just to name a few.
just familiarize yourself with these tricks, get wise, and deal with it like an american.. get pissed off & don't take crap just cuz you're abroad. DON'T be all paranoid & make yourself miserable! DO keep your head on straight.. when was the last time you even acknowledged some random person trying to talk to you on the street, let alone listened to what they were saying?! if you came here to dc & someone told you the smithsonians were closed but get in this cab & i'll take you somewhere cooler, would you do it? of course not! you'd say f*ck off & keep walking.
the second freaky element abt bkk is the lawlessness. u know the cops r corrupt & u really don't want to deal w/ them, if they're even real cops. & this is pretty freaky. but even this has a silver lining.. corruption cuts both ways. remember that a day or 2's wages for u is a LOT of money over there, & even if u get in2 some serious sh*t, u can probably buy ur way out. case in pt, giving a cop 150USD got me off driving w/o a license. u know that'd never fly at home.
just remember, keep your head on straight & assume you're just as likely to get screwed by a thai as an american. in fact, the farang who sold the thais these scams probably screwed them out of a couple extra baht! ;)
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written by clubsiam, Tue 24 Jun 2008 09:10:27 CDT

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/2486096190/

THAILAND TOURIST MAFIA.

I HAVE GATHERED A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL SCAMMERS WORKING AT THE ERAWAN SHRINE. YES! THOSE SAME PEOPLE, THAT YOU PUBLISHED THEIR PHOTOS ARE STILL SCAMMING VISITORS AT THE ERAWAN SHRINE..A YEAR AFTER I INFORMED THE TAT, TAC AND TOURIST POLICE.

THIS IS BECOMING A SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR TOURISM THAT SHOULD NOT BE IGNORED.
THIS SAME GANG HAS A TEAM AT EVERY TOURIST SPOT.
YES! THEY ARE ALL WORKING FOR THE SAME TOURIST MAFIA.
YESTERDAY, I SAW SEVERAL OF THIS GROUP AT THE CORNER OF SILOM AND RAMA 4, RIGHT AT THE MRT/BTS CROSSROADS. THEY ARE WORKING THEIR SCAMS ON VISITORS , STANDING NEXT TO THE MRT/BTS GUARDS!.ALSO, EASY TO SPOT THEIR TEAM AT SURIWONG AND RAMA 4, RIGHT NEXT TO THE POLICE BOX! ABOUT 5 OR 6 OF THEM ARE THERE EVERYDAY!
ALSO, THEY ARE STATIOND ON ALMOST EVERY CORNER ON SILOM RD TOO.
ALSO THEY HAVE THEM POSTED AT THE CORNER OF SUKHUMVIT SOIS NEAR HOTELS. I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUU ON A TOUR AND SHOW YOU THESE CRIMINALS.
THEY RE BECOMING AGGRESSIVE.... ALSO VERY IMPOLITE AND INTIMIDATING.
USUALLY, THEY HAVE TUK TUK SCAMMERS FRIENDS PARKED NEARBY. IF YOU EVER SEE 3 OR 4 TUK TUKS PARKED, LOOK CAREFULLY FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SCAMMERS NEARBY, LYING TO TOURISTS.
THEY ARE ALL EMPLOYED BY THE SAME GEM SHOP. THIS SHOP MUST HAVE HUNDREDS OR THOUSANDS STATIONED AROUND BANGKOK.
I GUESS THE AVERAGE THAI HAS NO IDEA ABOUT THIS GANG, SACRIFICING THAILAND'S REPUTATION.
AS A FARANG IN THAILAND, I SEE DOZENS OF THESE SCAMMERS EVERY DAY.
IN FACT , IT IS GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL.

HERE IS AN EXAMPLE.
WHEN I LEAVE MY CONDO I PASS THE TUK TUK ON MY CORNER. HE AND SEVERAL MORE, OWN THIS CORNER AND TELL LIES TO TOIURISTS. THAT IS ALL THEY DO, NOT INTERESTED IN GIVING TRANSPORTATION. THEIR SLOE GOAL IS TO CHEAT TOURISTS!
..THEN ON MY WALK TO THE COFFEE SHOP, I SEE THE FAKE BEGGARS. YES, THE BEGGARS ARE DIVERTING DONATIONS TO THE POOR. THE FAKE BEGGARS ARE DISFIGURED, DISEASED ILL CAMBODIANS THAT ARE PLACED ALL OVER TOWN, EVERY MORNING AT 7AM. HUNDREDS OF THEM EARN MILLIONS FOR THE BEGGING MAFIA GANG. A MAN WITH A BIG GOLD CHAIN DROPS THEM OFF. THEY CONTROL THE SIDEWALKS.
TEHN , AS I CONTINUE, MY MORNING WALK, I SEE FAKE MONKS! YES, FAKE MONKS HASSELING TOURISTS. THEY EVEN WALK INTO RESTAURANTS AND BARD BEGGING TOURISTS!
...THEN, AS I CONTINUE DOWN THE SOI, I SEE THE FAKE STUDENTS DOING A FAKE SURVEY. THEY WEAR 'AMAZING THAILAND SHIRTS AND TELL PEOPLE THEY ARE STUDENATS DOING A TAT SURVEY!
IN FACT THEY ARE LYING TO TOURISTS. THERE ARE MORE THAN 100 OF THESE FAKE STUDENTS HASSELING TOURISTS! ALONG SUKHUMVIT/SILOM.
NEXT ARE THE "LITTERING POLICE'
THESE POLICE ARE STATIONED ALONG SUKHUMVIT AND STALK TOURISTS/FARANGS AND CHARGE THEM 2000 THB FOR THROWING A CIGARETTE BUTT ON THE FILTHY SIDEWALK.
THEU ARE TAGGING QUITE A FEW TOURISTS EVERY HOUR. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY!
WAIT, I'M NOT THRU YET!
THE POLICE RECENTLY HAVE STARTED DOING RANDOM SEARCHES ON TOURISTS ALONG SUKHUMVIT IN THE SOI 22 AREA.
THE THONG LOR POLICE ARE RIPPING OF TOURISTS ALL DAY IN THIS AREA.

THAILANDS REPUTATION IS GOING INTO THE TOILET AND THE TAT, TAC, TOURIST POLICE DO NOTHING!
MANY BELIEVE THE TOURIST POLICE ARE INVOLVED IN THE SCAMMING TOO!

THANKS FOR READING. I HOPE SOMBODY WILL DO SOMTHING SOON!

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written by Ling, Tue 24 Jun 2008 10:04:04 CDT
Thank u so much Clubsiam...
Your comments n effort really help us alot! :)
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written by Ling, Tue 24 Jun 2008 10:14:30 CDT
Gaza... U r indeed the geatest fool n idiot! Haha...
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written by irene, Tue 24 Jun 2008 12:01:33 CDT
wow clubsiam, I like your condo, must be some extremely prestigious condo at a very high class location if not the mafia wun stage such a big drama outside ur area. From the tuk tuk to the beggars to the monks to the students and to the police, seem like some HK detectives movies plot.

Anyway I agreed with what "thieves and robbers" said, at least they try to get you to give them money yourself, there are so many cases of robberies and murder in other countries too. I wonder why there isnt any website on Malaysia since there are so many robberies cases on highway and even shopping mall and many times they hurt or killed the victim. As compared, it is definitely a much worse scenario. Is BKK the only country with corruption? I guess everyone has the answer so I dun understand why is the focus only on BKK? The only reason I can think of is because BKK is a far more popular place than any other parts of the world, no doubt Gaza might be a bit offensive but what he said is true, scams are everyway even in a law-abiding country like Singapore and yes, overpricing is not a scam, it is business, they have the right to decide on the selling price, the same goes to the tourist, they have the right to decide on the buying price. So if they bought it willingly, why is it a scam?
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written by Joe - Seattle, Tue 24 Jun 2008 12:39:58 CDT
Club Siam, thanks for the information, you are 100% right and I totally agree with you, I have previously lived in Thailand and the reason I left was because of the constant scamming, yes from the monks, ( male and female ) to the tuk tuk drivers and beggars, in Bangkok it is very much in your face 24 hrs a day, and it is unsettling to know that the police are also out there trying to scam you, and lets not forget, the Thai police have one of the worst human rights records in the world. And you still get idiots like Gaza treating this site as if its a joke. Well done clubsiam, keep up the good work in warning tourists and expats alike.
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written by irene, Tue 24 Jun 2008 13:06:41 CDT
anyway after reading most of the comments here, i would still like to say BKK is still a safe country even though its filled with 'Scammers" actually we can avoid it by just smiling and walk away, I guess they wun chase after you (cause I always manage to get out of it by doing so) Always remember there is no free lunch in this world, when someone offered you a service, they are definitely expecting some return, unless the person is your friend of course, you cun be that naive to really believe BKK is a City of Angels, do you?

Many comments and scams here reported that they even followed the stranger home to talk about their daughter or whoever is going to that particular country to study. I do salute to the farang's for their enthusiam and courage for we can never know what will happen in the person's house but still, the person did come out alive and manage to leave a comment here.

I am not encouraging the acts of the scammers but I do think there is nothing we can do about it, it is their culture, it is their country. Nevertheless, I do love BKK a lot and the scams doesnt at all affect my opinion of it thus I will definitely keep returning there. Of course, for those who are so stressed up by the scammers, I suggest you do stay in your own country, home sweet home...
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written by John ex pat, Tue 24 Jun 2008 14:24:49 CDT
Irene, I respect your comments but strongly disagree, there is a high number of deaths each year of farangs in Thailand, lets not forget the rape of Farang women in Samui and Chang Mai and more recently rape and murder of young Swedish woman in Phuket, the murder of 2 young women in Jomtien last year, the weekly reported deaths of Farangs in Pattaya and Phuket. Also the murder by the Thai royal police force of the young British Couple in River Kwai area, the murder by the Thai police of the Canadian woman in Chang Mai last year, the daily muggings and bag snatching of tourists in Pattaya, this is all factual and widely reported. So although I love Thai people and Thai culture, the days are gone where it should be called the land of smiles. All the above are factual and can be traced if you look at previous editorials from local and international newspapers.
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written by danny, Mon 07 Jul 2008 09:11:37 CDT
I love it how they tell you to come back at 3 pm. when it closes
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written by bard, Mon 07 Jul 2008 14:48:25 CDT
Its not a problem if you dont act like a tourist .
I always avoid tuktuks in Bkk. Im using the skytrain, subway and metered taxis. No problems , no scams. BKK is a great city !


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written by alex, Mon 07 Jul 2008 21:15:35 CDT
Not every thais is nice. Don't believe anyone who is trying to talk to you and avoid riding a tuk-tuk. Most of them are scams.
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written by Todd, Fri 08 Aug 2008 12:18:16 CDT
Irene, I would also like to point out that Thailand is ranked at number 14 on the murder chart!
Surprised, I sure was, smiling faces?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

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written by Todd, Fri 08 Aug 2008 12:19:12 CDT
Oops! Murders (per capita) that is.
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written by Andy, Sun 17 Aug 2008 20:41:59 CDT
I dont understand why some people lost the focus - are we not talking about BKK? Why some people got offended. And for those who are abit nervous about being scammed, use your common sense. I am from Sydney and I have been to BKK so many times and got scammed a couple of times, so what? And I have learnt from those experiences. I got scammed in NYC Time Square, so what? I have leanrt another lesson. It was lots of money, it did annoyed me a great deal, but I have learnt from that. I have been to many great cities, now my rules are - I'll do it my way, not anyone else way! As such, I got away from scammers.

When in BKK, I always go to pray in the Royal Palace. I got told many times that it was closed....I dismissed them and got on to another taxi and I got there without any problems. Don't get pre-occupied by these scammers, be street wise and enjoy every moment while you are in BKK.
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written by Brie, Mon 25 Aug 2008 01:28:06 CDT
I am not sure if this is a scam or not but I thought i'd post it. I visit Thailand several times a year and had never seen this before nor have I seen it since. I was walking toward Khoa San Road from Rambuttri Road when I was approached by a middle-eastern man in a turban. He said he could tell me my future. Now, usually those words get a laugh out of me just before I walk away but something compelled me to hear what he had to say. So I followed him to a quiet spot (in public view) and sat down while he did the following: he asked me to "think" of things like how many siblings I have, my mother's birthday, a number (he gave me 3 to choose from) etc. He told me not to speak them. He wrote down his answers and then asked me to write mine. No one ever approached us, he did not have any mirrors behind me (besides, he wrote his answers first) etc. but when he revealed the answers to the questions he asked me, they matched perfectly to my answers. Now, something like how many siblings I have was difficult for even me to answer and my father has spread his seed far and wide and I really had to think about who my true siblings were in my heart. Anyway, he got it right!
Now, once he proved his "gift" he asked that I make a "donation" for an orphanage in India. He had pictures of course, etc. etc. I know that this is where the scam really started. I did pay him some money to hear more of what he had to say. Not too much though. So he continued to tell me more relevant things about my future. At one point he asked for anything of value: camera, cell phone, etc. but I refused. He then told me that if what he told me turns out to be true, would I pay him 5000 baht when i return to thailand next year? Yeah sure I said laughing, thinking i'd never see this guy again and even more likely that nothing will come true.
Well, its been about a year now and I have to say, all but one thing has come true. At least one thing is a life altering change for me that was completely unexpected. Eeeerie! Anyway, I was just curious if anyone else has ever had that experience or knows of anyone who has. I have yet to see this mystery man in the turban again, but I am due to go back to BKK in 2 weeks. We'll see...
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written by tm, Tue 26 Aug 2008 21:38:02 CDT
if you see him again ask for the winning lottery numbers.
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written by I love thailand, Tue 16 Sep 2008 15:58:47 CDT
Bear in mind that these are poor people trying to make a living. Getting "scammed" for 20 bahts is not really something to get angry about. Laugh about it! And how naive are you to think for example that a lady would give you a bag of bird seeds for free! Get streetwise and dont let less than pocket change losses frustrate you!
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written by Theo, Tue 16 Sep 2008 18:30:31 CDT
Right!! Getting scammed for 20 bath only is painful for ones ego! Not for ones bankaccount. I am surprised to read all this on this website. Usely only longhaired backpackers are complaining about this issues. Over 100 dollars one should start complaining. Otherwise just laugh about it.
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written by Ian, Tue 04 Nov 2008 22:49:34 CST
I got the first part of the scam a month ago (Sep. 08) when I went to the Grand Place by myself. I haven't been there for years and have a new camera that I wanted to photograph the Ramakien gallery with. Right outside the main gate I had two Thai men spearately tell me the Grand Place was shut. I didn't understand why they were saying this as it obviously wasn't. I suppose it was because I answered them in Thai that they left me alone after the initial play that the palace was shut. Now I know what the follow up would have been. Thanks for the info.
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written by TIM - Dont ever pull your vallet nor show any money, Tue 27 Jan 2009 15:18:52 CST
I was there in Bangkok last december with my family and must say that had very bad experience which I have never ever came even closer in other countries.

Though I escaped the TUK TUK scam, one expensive price I paid for being negligence is right in front of the BIG C.

My wife was having alook at some shoes and she suddenly fell a vibration and thought it was her phone, then my little dauhter had alerted of things hanging out from the bag. It is at that moment we realised that her bag was completely cut. We were very worried if the passports were lost, but fortunately the lady who did this had not been able to pull anything off. But the climax started only few minutes from then.

While we were upset about this incident and the children too were frightened we were approached by a ARAB looking couple. While the lady started to build a conversation with my wife the gent started with me. The 1st thing he asked me was whether there's any money changers around. I simply said there are many around and there are a couple inside big c too. Then he wanted to know where I am from and we both fell into a friendly conversation. When I said am from India he said Ya, I am hoping to be there next month and how does the Indian Currency looks like. This is where I went wrong. I pulled my vallet out to show him an Indian Note. WHile pulling my local currency he saw my USD Notes as well, and the man at once wanted to show me someting on the dollars. What I remeber him mentioning was some QUEEN. I refused the first time though he looked a rich dude. Then he offered his wallet to me and said u keep mine if you dont trust me and started showing something on the dollars while I was holding my vallet.

Then suddenly the lady came towards us and said this is a dangerous place to be since my wife's bag was cut and both vanished.

It was the next day morning I reaslised while counting my remaining cash that I have lost 5 x 100USD Notes. Now this is very big Money for me as it's almost 30,000.00 Indian Rupees. I could not take it up for sometime and our whole trip became meaningless after this incident.
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written by Thai People, Fri 06 Feb 2009 14:29:48 CST
Please be careful of mention thai people is bad. I am sure and proud to be a thai. In history thai people never invade any country like westerner invade steal freedom raping killing and changing tradition and religion.You people you just scam a few penny you already angry how about a gun,Tanks,Missile you been sold and killed human do you think is good joe seattle .And how about the cost of M 16 Rifle it is only cost 150 $ U.S. Cost of manufacture but we buy it for 1200 $ U.S. do you think that's is not over price and scam us if you not buy our guns i will never give you a connection or where not be a brother.You must be happy you scam for only jewelry please take be a human not a beast.
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written by The Riddler, Thu 02 Apr 2009 19:25:29 CDT
I agree that people shouldn't speak so bad about Thai people in some aspects, maybe you have never been to some other coutry's. Like in America you may run into the occasional scammer, but this is an everyday occurance in Thailand. You always must stay on your toes or you can get scammed from a taxi to eating, it is of a great variation. You have a point about some in the west invading courty's and this and that, but if I'm not mistaken there are some issues within your own culture. Say for instance just recently when the PAD were demonstrating and some people shot them with riffles, even your own police used "smoke"/live grenades on the protestors disabling some from blowing off limbs and some even dying or winding up seriously hurt. I mean not like after the police first saw someone with their leg blown off they suddenly thought maybe it was because people trampled the persons leg so it disintigrated. And the cost of guns? Well that's not exactly "non" violent talk. Your post is quite contadicting to yourself and is quite a silly post.
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written by Chuck, Thu 02 Apr 2009 19:31:20 CDT
Thai people dont invade other countries. They wait until other people come to Thailand ... then cheat and rob them.
Not a nice way to treat guests.

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written by Khun Issan, Thu 02 Apr 2009 23:35:04 CDT
I think the old adage about invasion of countries is tried and tested, they are our forefather's era and we are not responsible.Law and order if the prime concern of any country, if I rob or harm anyone in europe, Australia or Thailand I expect to be punished not buy my way out of a situation. If I were to place my valuables in the Marriott Hotel's safe in Tokyo /London/ Sydney or Amsterdam I expect my valuables to be brought to me in tact, unfortunately I coudlnt trust any hotel in Thailand, this old mentality of "its a farang so they must be rich " proceeds them, (naturally there are some wonderful honest people in this country but unfortunately greed and dishonesty is becing accepted as the norm).
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written by Heinrich, Fri 03 Apr 2009 03:25:58 CDT
I dont know Chuck. What about the recent attacks on Cambodia? And before Laos.
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written by Janet Schneider, Mon 04 May 2009 11:08:24 CDT
" unfortunately I coudlnt trust any hotel in Thailand, this old mentality of "its a farang so they must be rich "

Khun Issan, I thought you were half Singaporean/Thai, what have you got to worry about?

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written by james preston, Wed 06 May 2009 05:52:45 CDT
i will be visiting thailand with my partner in october through novemeber although she has been before i am new to the country.
i would like to thank you all for you interesting blogs i have found this most helpful.
i have been sat here for four hours now reading all stories from scams to drugs to jet ski horror stories and i am more aware than i would be normally.

i worked over seas in mallorca and dominican republic for thomas cook tour operator in the uk as a rep and im very vigilant but thanks to you all my eyes are wider than ever

im sure it will be great though

cheers all
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written by Reggie, Wed 06 May 2009 10:58:58 CDT
Have a nice holiday, may I suggest you and your boyfriend visit Chatuchack Market (Fri/Sat/Sun only) if Bangkok is on your itenary?
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written by Reggie, Wed 06 May 2009 10:59:58 CDT
Oops! The one above is for James.
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written by Sammie, Wed 06 May 2009 13:39:49 CDT
James enjoy your holidays, the secret is always to smile, even if something is not to your liking keep on smiling and where applicable say NO...lol. Maybe I may be so bold as to advise you to take travellers cheques, the latest legalised scam is charging B150 for each ATM transaction and then you have your own bank's charges on top, making it a small fortune for your withdrawel!.It doesnt cost this much at all in your own country. I cannot believe this country which is in recession has decided to follow this route! The Mikey Mouse powers that be need their heads tested.
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written by bryan, Mon 29 Jun 2009 16:48:00 CDT
Just returned from BKK and Ao Nang, I'm sure that I got overcharged on some of the things, saw many of the tailor/tuk tuk scams. Almost even got scammed that one of the Vat was not open for foreigners (sign that says "Foreigner entrance around corner") which was hung by the guy that sits by the gate. I could see the scam guy and tuk tuks just waiting. They are like sharks. Funny thing is once you are away from the tourist traps and scammers BKK is a nice city. It seemed that most Thais were pretty honest, even the old couple in a small market which sold us water and soda. They charged me less then what it was at the 7-11 (i know they have markups but also standard prices) even though they had no prices listed and could have made up anything. The new one was that the guy at the place tried to tell us that I couldn't go in because i have long hair (which my hair is not long at all). I did have a taxi try to scam even more then he was going to get. The hotel got us this cab and told me it was 400 including tolls. I had done the airport route so this was fine, he didn't turn on the meter, fine, i was only paying him 400, but he also took the side streets to avoid the 45baht toll on the first part of the expressway out. He got on at the 25baht one. When we got out I gave him 500, but he tried to give me 50 back. I said 400, then claimed he had no change. I took the 500 back and said i would get change, then he magically had lots of change in his car. He tried to tell me it was tolls extra. I said 1 toll and no meter indicating that I knew he was scamming and that was all he was getting, he knew he did ok and just left. It was an interesting experience though after all the other taxi drivers were honest.
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written by mikey, Tue 30 Jun 2009 00:25:49 CDT

A British couple who were falsely accused of shoplifting in Bangkok airport and were forced to pay £8,000 in bribes to secure their release are to take legal action for compensation. They were the victims of an extortion racket that has ensnared other foreign travellers at the airport, which handles most of the 800,000 British visitors to Thailand every year.

Stephen Ingram, 49, and Xi Lin, 45, both technology professionals from Cambridge, were detained by security guards as they went to board Qantas flight QF1 to London on the night of Saturday, April 25.
They were accused of taking a Givenchy wallet worth £121 from a King Power duty-free shop and were handed over to the police. An official release order from the local Thai prosecutor’s office subsequently conceded there was no evidence against them.

They were freed five days later after a frightening ordeal in which they said they were threatened and held against their will at a cheap motel on the airport perimeter until they had handed over the money.
The bribes were paid to an intermediary named Sunil “Tony” Rathnayaka, a Sri Lankan national in his fifties who works as a “volunteer” interpreter for Thailand’s tourist police (motto: “To serve and to protect”).

“Our main motivation is to protect other innocent British tourists from being caught up in this nightmare,” said Ingram last week. “We intend to take every legal means to recover our money and obtain justice.”
Last week Rathnayaka admitted in a telephone interview that he had received cash and money transfers amounting to more than £7,000 from the Britons. He said the money was for police bail and for a payment to a figure he called “Little Big Man” who could withdraw the case against them.

“In Thailand everyone knows it’s like that,” he said. “They can go to jail or they can just pay a fine and go home. It is corruption, you know?”

Rathnayaka also agreed that the “bail” — about £4,000 — was never returned to Ingram and Xi. Thai law says bail should be refunded.
In a detailed statement the couple said they were first detained at an airport office of the tourist police and later taken to cells at a police station in an isolated modern building on the fringes of the airport.
Rathnayaka confirmed that he met them in the cells on the morning of Sunday, April 26, and arranged the “bail”. The police kept the couple’s passports. Rathnayaka then escorted Ingram and Xi to the Valentine Resort, a lurid pink motel a few hundred yards from the runways. They were to remain there for four days.

During that time, Rathnayaka warned them not to tell anyone about their plight, especially the British embassy, lawyers, friends, family or the press.
However, on April 27 they sneaked out of the hotel and found their way to the embassy, where they met Kate Dufall, the pro-consul.
According to the couple, she told them the embassy could not interfere with the Thai legal system and put them in contact with Prachaya Vijitpokin, a lawyer.

Vijitpokin and a colleague, Kittamert Engchountada, of the Lawyers Association of Thailand, urged them to stay in the country to fight the case and have since assembled a dossier for potential prosecutions.
However, Ingram said the couple were so terrified by this stage that they decided to meet the demands for money, which they raised by bank transfers from Britain direct to Rathnayaka’s account. The Sunday Times has copies of the transactions.
Ingram and Xi were put on a British Airways flight to London early on Friday, May 1, having received their passports with official documents from prosecutors and police stating that no charges were to be brought against them.

They have said they are willing to return to Thailand and testify to try to stop the extortion if the government will guarantee their safety.

That could become a priority for Thailand, which has suffered a series of blows to its tourist industry through economic and political upheaval.
Inquiries last week established that Rathnayaka and his accomplices have continued preying on tourists who end up in police custody after being accused of theft from the airport duty-free shop. “I am just helping people,” he explained. “I don’t get paid to do this. All the embassies know me.”

Officials at the Danish embassy confirmed that a Danish woman fell into Rathnayaka’s hands about two weeks ago and was allowed to leave Thailand only after handing over more than £4,500.

When a Sunday Times journalist posing as a businessman in trouble contacted Rathnayaka last week, the first thing he said was: “If it’s a case, for example, of shoplifting at the airport duty-free then I can help. Bail is 100,000 baht (£1,800).” He later declined an interview, saying the Sri Lanka embassy — which employs him as an interpreter — had told him not to speak.

The Foreign Office said consular officials had offered to raise the case with the Thai authorities at the time but had been asked by the couple not to intervene.

A spokesman for King Power duty-free said the company had strict rules for evidence to be submitted to the police in shoplifting cases, but added: “We cannot control what happens after that
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written by pat, Thu 27 Aug 2009 09:17:39 CDT
reading all these posts on the last day on holiday in bkk. fell completely for the lucky buddha/gem store scam. In our case we were taken to what they claimed was a Royal Factory that was only open one day a year selling gems at whole sale prices, and we ended up spending over a 100 GBP. I am kicking myself for not having read any of this info sooner for the way we fell for these scams was exactly as described in some of the above posts. How can you enjoy your holiday in peace in a city when it feels like whenever there is something to do with money from trying to get to a tourist spot to buying a souvenir there's a bloke out there trying to scam you?!!
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written by Khun Bill, Mon 14 Dec 2009 19:18:57 CST
Be carefull not to ask Taxi to take you to Somboon Seafood restaurant as you might get taken to one called Somboondee on 49 Payaythai Ratchatavee rd. Extreemly overpriced as there is no price on menu and when asked they say by weight but not dollar amount the weight is. Were charged $6400 bhat for steamed Bass and rice and vegs that usuall cost 400 to 600 bht in miost restaurants. Taken there by a Taxi from in front of Pantip.
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written by michael, Tue 25 Jan 2011 12:06:07 CST
my first day in thailand my taxi driver took me to the floating markets. The lady where I bought the tickets from for the boats told me 4000 bahts, i tried to look around for signs of the price but there where none. I was sure it was a scam and negotiated down to 3500 lol. not being happy i said forgot it I will take the taxi to the nearby elephants or tigers and was told they where closed till 3pm. It as 11am and I spent and hour in the taxi and didnt want to wait, ended up paying the 3500. feel really stupid for it. later on saw a sign from another boat operator for 500 baht for the same service. obviously the tiger and elephant place was open which I found out later. cant believe how gullible I was. anyway if you go to the floating markets and there is no price and they want to charge you that much, ask your taxi driver to take you to the other entrance and hope he understands. after that I kept the number of a concierge at my hotel, whenever I got stuck and couldnt explain I would call and get him to explain for us and he helped let me know what i should pay for things. make sure you get a local sim card if you do that otherwise call costs could be high. also give a tip occasionally to the concierge, its worth it they give some good advice.

thanks for the other good tips.
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written by Ana, Sat 23 Apr 2011 21:09:55 CDT
I will be travelling to BKK in the next few days, thank you guys for posting and giving tips for first timers.

It's not about losing a couple of dollar but its the bitter taste of being cheated face to face.
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written by yanoshek, Sat 13 Aug 2011 13:11:10 CDT
If you want to learn more about scams in Bangkok, and how to get the solutions to protect yourself against being involved into them, please, don't hesitate to visit the Facebook site on the profile yanoshek yura. I am happy to share my point of views with you. Enjoy your stay in Bangkok.
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written by ScamInfo, Mon 19 Sep 2011 17:19:51 CDT
I've just recently been to Bangkok and fallen victim of the gem scam. They are incredibly common and still going at full speed in Thailand. I researched the topic and found plenty more scams in Bangkok (http://www.scaminfo.org/thailand). If you have come across any others, please contribute.
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written by JoannaBattle, Wed 18 Jan 2012 16:29:32 CST
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