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Undercover at Hua Lamphong
Written by Richard Barrow   
Monday, 14 May 2007

Hualamphong Station

Hua Lamphong Train Station 

At BangkokScams.com, someone recently sent us a report of a scam that they experienced at the Bangkok train station at Hua Lamphong. This station is a major terminal that serves lines to the north, northeast, east and south of Thailand. We were told that last year he was scammed by a Thai person that told him that there were no seats left on the train and that he would be better off going by coach. He was then taken to a nearby travel agents. I decided to do some undercover work and I drove into Bangkok yesterday to see if I could duplicate this scam. Time had passed and I wanted to know if the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) or the State Railway of Thailand had clamped down on this scam or not.

I walked into the station from the side entrance. I had a daypack to give the impression that I was going on a short trip somewhere. I decided my destination would be Surat Thani. I wandered around a bit looking lost to see if I could get any nibbles. Nothing. On the far side of the concourse was a large information booth that looked official. I decided to go over there and ask for a timetable for the train. I felt that I needed more props. Next to the counter there was a sign that warned people in English not to trust anyone that came up to you to sell tickets. It was starting to look like maybe that the local authorities were actually doing something about the scams here after all. But, I decided to persevere. I continued to wander around in circles looking lost and confused. I glanced down at the timetable and then up at the ticket booths.

Finally I got a bite. A guy came up to me with an official looking i.d. card around his neck that said “Tourist Information”. He asked in good English where I was going. I said Surat Thani. He then asked where I would go next. I said Koh Samui. Then I kicked myself. I had pronounced it with a Thai accent. I should have said “ko” as in “low”. He continued to give me advice but didn’t offer to buy me tickets or anything. No sign of a scam but this guy was being too helpful to be true. Out of the corner of my eye I could see other scammers lurking but they were keeping their distance. I decided to leave and approach the station again from a different direction.

A scammer approaches a Tourist

"I saw your picture on BangkokScams.com - go away!" 

Around the front of the station I had better luck. I spotted three Thai ladies working the farang crowd. Around their neck they were wearing i.d. cards. It wasn’t long before I was approached and she asked me where I was going. I repeated my story. She told me that she worked for the Tourist Authority of Thailand, she flashed me the official logo, and said she would take me to the travel agents to buy the train ticket. She took me around the side of the station where I could see a row of shops all with the words “TAT” on banners. One even said “Lonely Planet” as if the famous publisher approved of them. Now, I knew that to be a travel agent you need to have a license from the TAT. But this scam artist was giving me the impression that her office WAS the TAT. You should know that the TAT only give out free tourism information. They don’t sell tickets. So, don’t be fooled by these people.

She took me to the shop called Tongchai Tour and I was told to sit down. She promptly left to look for more prey. I decided to play along to see where this was going. I got a free drink which was good as I was thirsty by this time. I told the travel agent where I wanted to go. He said that there were two trains that I could catch. Actually, I already knew that there were eleven trains per day that went to Surat Thani as I had the timetable in my pocket. So, lie number one. I said that I wanted to go for the 7.30 p.m. train. He said he would ring and check. After a short phone conversation he told me the bad news. No tickets left. However, I was in luck. I could catch one of their VIP buses that would take me to Koh Samui for only 900 baht. I said I would think about. I asked for his namecard so that I could ring him about it later. Mr. Janchai gave me his card and I left.

Scammer Travel Agents

Some of the travel agents the scammer represent 

Now, this wasn’t a positive scam yet, though he was giving me misleading information about the number of trains available. He should have said to me, “could I go at another time”. I needed to confirm it was a scam by going back to the station to see if  I could still buy a ticket by myself. This is easy to do. You can in fact book tickets up to 60 days in advance so there is no real need for you to use any of these local travel agents. If you go to the concourse, at the far side there is the information booth that I told you about (see picture below). There is a sign here pointing out the advance booking office. When I went in, the place was empty, but very efficient. I asked the guy in English about the availability of tickets on the Surat Thani train. He said that there were some left but they were running out fast. That confirmed it. I was scammed. I don’t know who Mr Janchai telephoned, but it obviously wasn’t this office.

Whenever you are travelling in Thailand, don’t trust blindly anyone that approaches you and who speaks in perfect English. As a rule, Thai people are shy and are nervous about using English. These people all had i.d. cards around their neck. Some said TAT. It is easy for the scammers to make these cards themselves. They are two a penny. If you are at a train or bus station then buy the ticket yourself. There is no need to make use of these scam artists who just want to direct you to travel agents which give them a nice fat commission. There is no point giving these guys a commission when you can easily do everything yourself. One final word. Only a small minority of Thai people that work in the Tourism industry are scammers. If you are approached by a Thai person then please give them the benefit of the doubt. If you are not sure about their integrity, then just say politely that you have to go. If you know that they are a scammer then just tell them that you saw their picture on BangkokScams.com!

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written by Betti, Mon 14 May 2007 20:10:46 MDT
actually, I don't remember an occasion when I was lining up for a train ticket and WASN'T approached by people like these. they are out there by the dozen and hardly any farang can escape. fortunately, the whole scheme is so suspicious I never ever was attracted to listen to the details. and of course, the phenomenon of "tourist buses" must be the biggest scam ever, so once someone wants to push you into a tourist bus, or makes a fleeting reference to it, run as far away as you can....
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written by Jackie, Mon 14 May 2007 20:30:29 MDT
Thanks for telling us how the scammers work. But also for some good tips on how to buy train tickets ourselves.
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written by scooby, Tue 15 May 2007 21:08:42 MDT
There seems to be so many scams that have been going on for many years without any intervention from TAT or any other Thai authority. It seems to be the Thai way to 'turn a blind eye'. Recently I witnessed some unsuspecting tourists cop it as soon as they arrived at the new airport...being told by touts that there were no taxis, so they had to take the expensive limo into BKK. I told them to go downstairs to the taxi que. You should have seen the filthy looks I got from the touts.
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written by Graham, Tue 15 May 2007 21:09:03 MDT
I was up in Ayutthaya last year and we wanted to take a train up to Phitsanulok and then a bus to Sukhothai. As we were looking at the timetable a tuk tuk driver approached my wife (who is Thai) and asked where we wanted to go. The tuk tuk driver told my wife that there is a bus that goes to Sukhothai, and she offered to ring and book us a ticket. But all the tickets were sold, so in the end we booked the train. Kind of a reverse scam, to tell people the bus is booked so you better take the train like you wanted to in the first place??
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written by BUCKY, Tue 15 May 2007 21:09:17 MDT
Great work, Richard!
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written by Ben, Thu 17 May 2007 23:33:50 MDT
Cheers Richard for confirming that one and going through the undercover bit...
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written by TAT IS THE SCAM, Thu 24 May 2007 07:40:10 MDT
Don't look for support from T.A.T. because there will be none. Helping each other such as this web site is our only hope. TAT is just another high paying position for friends and relatives of the plutocracy. TAT governor rakes in 300,000 baht per month powdering her nose visiting the other foreign plutocracy overseas.
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written by Nattinee, Mon 23 Jul 2007 19:19:51 MDT
After reading the article I just want to say that there are still some Thai's who arent shy and are willing to walk up to a lost looking tourist and give them some help. Some tourists are so scared of being scammed that they respond to us Thais in a rude way. The other day I offered to communicate to the Tuk Tuk driver for a foreign couple (seeing that they were having trouble) but was told to 'Go Away' because 'we aren't talking to you'. I know not all foreigners are like that but not all good speaking Thais are scammers either. There are plenty of Thai-Thai kids who goes to international schools and speak the language fluently so please dont look at all of us in a bad light.
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written by Dting Dtong Taiwan, Sun 16 Sep 2007 09:34:14 MDT
Nong Nattinee,

As they say in Farangland: "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished". Better let it go, girl. One cannot singlehandedly change the image of a country.
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written by Greg, Tue 23 Oct 2007 15:05:37 MDT
Actually I was approached on Hualampong by a young person with ID on the neck seeming to work as someone helping tourists on the station. I was asked where I want to go, we went together to one of the official ticket booths and they showed me on the screen the number of free seats in each of the classes for the trains I was interested in. Then I just bought the tickets. That was very helpful as cashier didn't speak very good English. So not everyone approaching you in Hualampong is neccessarly a scam artist.
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written by James, Thu 25 Oct 2007 20:00:10 MDT
Lets put things straight. One should be more careful, if he or she is so scared of being scammed. Scams happen everywhere. So, one should always stay alert. Still I can say that the scam that we are commenting about is nothing compared to what I have been through. It was not in Thailand, and it was not a scam. I was openly offered a highly dangerous drugs in (HOLLAND) Rotterdam train station. Now what should we call that.......
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written by Thai - Aussie, Fri 26 Oct 2007 21:14:17 MDT
I agree with Nattinee that not all good english speaking locals is the scammers. As the numbers of scammers in Thailand are large, so it's common that tourists will highly beware of this and may show the improper manner to most of locals due to suspection. However, I still believe most of local people are just willing to help foreigners if they're facing the difficulty in communication.
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written by Beccy, Fri 02 Nov 2007 23:46:53 MDT
can you buy a ticket from the station at any time? i.e after 4pm when the booking office is closed? I want to travel on the 20.45 train from bangkok to nongkai but won't be able to get there till about 5ish.. Sorry I know this isn't the correct place to ask this.. :-)

thanks
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written by peter john, Wed 07 Nov 2007 22:46:55 MST
if you saw some thai peole come to see you and then said ' information service near by train station that mean htey wil charge you for commison ......just go striagh to train station and buy the ticket at there.....and dont believe tuk tuk or taxi if they bring you go to TAT......Danger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by owl, Fri 16 Nov 2007 23:40:14 MST
I had a similar experience to Greg's. Just a helpful lady who guided me to the ticket office and told me which platform I needed to go to. Maybe the train station has got it's act together .....
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written by Angus Chang Mai, Tue 18 Dec 2007 20:08:16 MST
I think Thai scammers are the nicest in the world, if you ever travel to Russia , kazakhstan, Nigeria etc, then you will find out what a horrible scam is, Thai people are nice and friendly by nature. If you dont feel happy talking to someome walk away and thats that. I love the Thais and I want give them all a big super hug.
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written by Chris...UK/Chiang Mai/Phitsanuloke, Thu 20 Dec 2007 03:18:17 MST
Just like owl and Greg, when I travelled through Hualampong on my travels to Phitsanuloke, I was approached by an extreamely helpful employee. Even when I was having problems using the payphone in the station, i was approached by another employee who helped me to find another 'working phone' in the station.
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written by clubsiamclubsiam, Sat 09 Feb 2008 09:15:41 MST

Photos of scammers at the Erawan Shrine.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/

Thirty or more scammers are working full time around the Erawan Hyatt area.
They operate in front of the security and police.


The TAT has been sent this info but does nothing to protect tourists.
The Police are involved in the scams so if you ever need assistance, you can be sure the Thai Police will be of no help.
You're on your own in Thailand.
Be carefull.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/
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written by Atli, Thu 21 Feb 2008 21:26:28 MST
Some angry commentators seem to believe that by avoiding Thailand in future and going to other places instead, they will not need to protect themselves from scammers; nice dreams! Where ever in the world there are tourist and foreigners, scamming, stealing and even robbing feeds a whole industry. In Mexico City you can have to bad luck of getting off at the wrong subway stop or getting into an unlicensed taxi, where the drivers drives you to an isolated place and robs you at gun or knife point, and if your bad luck continues, even kills you. In South Africa, already walking alone or as a pair through Johannesburg or Durban on a Sunday afternoon can get you robbed and killed.

Yet, some tourist who, at home, would never expose themselves to the risks of getting scammed or robbed, seem to switch off all their warning receptors completely in countries and cities they don’t know at all. It baffles me. While most travel books, e.g. The Lonely Planet, have at least one page on “Local Scamming” that very clearly warns travelers, those scammed all seem to fall into the same traps travel books warn them of. Don’t they read all the necessary information before they visit a country? When they speak about it afterwards, they often say that the scammer was so “Very Friendly.” Well, could they operate as scammers if they were not friendly? They are scammers, because they have all the smooth attitudes required for the “Job.”

The next reason for getting scammed is clearly greed. At home they would say “If it’s too good to be true, it isn’t true.” Why would anyone jewelry shop sell a diamond or sapphire for up to 50% less than its value? What makes those getting scammed think that the Thai who approaches them and doesn’t know them from Adam, takes such an immediate liking to them that he reveals the most exceptional deals? If there were such extraordinary deals, they wouldn’t be made known to tourists, because the citizens would make the deals themselves. It’s obvious that anything bought at a great discount can be resold at a profit. Why not ask at the front desk of the hotel where jewelry can be bought?

As for custom tailored clothes, again, why not also ask at the front desk of the hotel? In contrary to a Tuk-Tuk driver who – again - doesn’t know the tourist from Adam, they have an interest in their guests’ well being. Besides, to give tailors enough time for alterations, custom tailored clothes should be ordered shortly after arriving and not shortly before departure. Also, I have bought custom tailored suits and trousers in a number of countries and have never made more than a small down-payment with the major payment due at delivery. However, I have also always let the tailor have my address and telephone number. They, obviously, need some protection, too.

Incidentally, it is beyond me why anyone would want to sit in an open Tuk-Tuk in Southeast Asian cities where pollution is so bad that one can almost cut the air, when there are, as in Bangkok, air conditioned metered taxis available. As for the trips within the city with the meter off, a deal offered and refused, “Khawp Khun!” I just go to the next taxi where the driver uses his meter.

There are situations where anyone can get scammed, e.g. train stations and airports, where tourists often arrive tired and exhausted after long flights. When I arrived in Bkk after a 24 hour flight, I guess, I was lucky. A porter “Found Me.” He took me and my luggage first to the official hotel information kiosk and then to the official taxi stand and not to “Specials.” I gave him a Baht 100 tip for his honesty.

Lastly, there are as many scams in 1. World countries – most likely even in your own country - as in Thailand, and a scam always requires two voluntary players.

There are countries one simply DOES NOT VISIT! Thailand is definitely not one of them.

Yes, I believe you are doing an excellent job with this site. I only wish that many travelers would read it before instead of after losing their money.

Atli
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written by clubsaim, Sat 23 Feb 2008 10:53:33 MST
LOS
LAND OF SCAMS
AVOID
TELL YOUR FRIENDS
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written by kel, Wed 30 Apr 2008 09:49:07 MDT
I agree with Nattinee whenever I was in Thailand I get kinda paranoid when someone wants to help me whether in communicating with the stall holder(s) in Thai or wanted to help me with directions. I believe majority are not scammers but still I want to be safe. I usually smile and politely wave at them.

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