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Undercover at Hua Lamphong
Written by Richard Barrow   
Monday, 14 May 2007

Hualamphong Station

Hua Lamphong Train Station 

At BangkokScams.com, someone recently sent us a report of a scam that they experienced at the Bangkok train station at Hua Lamphong. This station is a major terminal that serves lines to the north, northeast, east and south of Thailand. We were told that last year he was scammed by a Thai person that told him that there were no seats left on the train and that he would be better off going by coach. He was then taken to a nearby travel agents. I decided to do some undercover work and I drove into Bangkok yesterday to see if I could duplicate this scam. Time had passed and I wanted to know if the Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) or the State Railway of Thailand had clamped down on this scam or not.

I walked into the station from the side entrance. I had a daypack to give the impression that I was going on a short trip somewhere. I decided my destination would be Surat Thani. I wandered around a bit looking lost to see if I could get any nibbles. Nothing. On the far side of the concourse was a large information booth that looked official. I decided to go over there and ask for a timetable for the train. I felt that I needed more props. Next to the counter there was a sign that warned people in English not to trust anyone that came up to you to sell tickets. It was starting to look like maybe that the local authorities were actually doing something about the scams here after all. But, I decided to persevere. I continued to wander around in circles looking lost and confused. I glanced down at the timetable and then up at the ticket booths.

Finally I got a bite. A guy came up to me with an official looking i.d. card around his neck that said “Tourist Information”. He asked in good English where I was going. I said Surat Thani. He then asked where I would go next. I said Koh Samui. Then I kicked myself. I had pronounced it with a Thai accent. I should have said “ko” as in “low”. He continued to give me advice but didn’t offer to buy me tickets or anything. No sign of a scam but this guy was being too helpful to be true. Out of the corner of my eye I could see other scammers lurking but they were keeping their distance. I decided to leave and approach the station again from a different direction.

A scammer approaches a Tourist

"I saw your picture on BangkokScams.com - go away!" 

Around the front of the station I had better luck. I spotted three Thai ladies working the farang crowd. Around their neck they were wearing i.d. cards. It wasn’t long before I was approached and she asked me where I was going. I repeated my story. She told me that she worked for the Tourist Authority of Thailand, she flashed me the official logo, and said she would take me to the travel agents to buy the train ticket. She took me around the side of the station where I could see a row of shops all with the words “TAT” on banners. One even said “Lonely Planet” as if the famous publisher approved of them. Now, I knew that to be a travel agent you need to have a license from the TAT. But this scam artist was giving me the impression that her office WAS the TAT. You should know that the TAT only give out free tourism information. They don’t sell tickets. So, don’t be fooled by these people.

She took me to the shop called Tongchai Tour and I was told to sit down. She promptly left to look for more prey. I decided to play along to see where this was going. I got a free drink which was good as I was thirsty by this time. I told the travel agent where I wanted to go. He said that there were two trains that I could catch. Actually, I already knew that there were eleven trains per day that went to Surat Thani as I had the timetable in my pocket. So, lie number one. I said that I wanted to go for the 7.30 p.m. train. He said he would ring and check. After a short phone conversation he told me the bad news. No tickets left. However, I was in luck. I could catch one of their VIP buses that would take me to Koh Samui for only 900 baht. I said I would think about. I asked for his namecard so that I could ring him about it later. Mr. Janchai gave me his card and I left.

Scammer Travel Agents

Some of the travel agents the scammer represent 

Now, this wasn’t a positive scam yet, though he was giving me misleading information about the number of trains available. He should have said to me, “could I go at another time”. I needed to confirm it was a scam by going back to the station to see if  I could still buy a ticket by myself. This is easy to do. You can in fact book tickets up to 60 days in advance so there is no real need for you to use any of these local travel agents. If you go to the concourse, at the far side there is the information booth that I told you about (see picture below). There is a sign here pointing out the advance booking office. When I went in, the place was empty, but very efficient. I asked the guy in English about the availability of tickets on the Surat Thani train. He said that there were some left but they were running out fast. That confirmed it. I was scammed. I don’t know who Mr Janchai telephoned, but it obviously wasn’t this office.

Whenever you are travelling in Thailand, don’t trust blindly anyone that approaches you and who speaks in perfect English. As a rule, Thai people are shy and are nervous about using English. These people all had i.d. cards around their neck. Some said TAT. It is easy for the scammers to make these cards themselves. They are two a penny. If you are at a train or bus station then buy the ticket yourself. There is no need to make use of these scam artists who just want to direct you to travel agents which give them a nice fat commission. There is no point giving these guys a commission when you can easily do everything yourself. One final word. Only a small minority of Thai people that work in the Tourism industry are scammers. If you are approached by a Thai person then please give them the benefit of the doubt. If you are not sure about their integrity, then just say politely that you have to go. If you know that they are a scammer then just tell them that you saw their picture on BangkokScams.com!

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written by Betti, Mon 14 May 2007 20:10:46 CDT
actually, I don't remember an occasion when I was lining up for a train ticket and WASN'T approached by people like these. they are out there by the dozen and hardly any farang can escape. fortunately, the whole scheme is so suspicious I never ever was attracted to listen to the details. and of course, the phenomenon of "tourist buses" must be the biggest scam ever, so once someone wants to push you into a tourist bus, or makes a fleeting reference to it, run as far away as you can....
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written by Jackie, Mon 14 May 2007 20:30:29 CDT
Thanks for telling us how the scammers work. But also for some good tips on how to buy train tickets ourselves.
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written by scooby, Tue 15 May 2007 21:08:42 CDT
There seems to be so many scams that have been going on for many years without any intervention from TAT or any other Thai authority. It seems to be the Thai way to 'turn a blind eye'. Recently I witnessed some unsuspecting tourists cop it as soon as they arrived at the new airport...being told by touts that there were no taxis, so they had to take the expensive limo into BKK. I told them to go downstairs to the taxi que. You should have seen the filthy looks I got from the touts.
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written by Graham, Tue 15 May 2007 21:09:03 CDT
I was up in Ayutthaya last year and we wanted to take a train up to Phitsanulok and then a bus to Sukhothai. As we were looking at the timetable a tuk tuk driver approached my wife (who is Thai) and asked where we wanted to go. The tuk tuk driver told my wife that there is a bus that goes to Sukhothai, and she offered to ring and book us a ticket. But all the tickets were sold, so in the end we booked the train. Kind of a reverse scam, to tell people the bus is booked so you better take the train like you wanted to in the first place??
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written by BUCKY, Tue 15 May 2007 21:09:17 CDT
Great work, Richard!
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written by Ben, Thu 17 May 2007 23:33:50 CDT
Cheers Richard for confirming that one and going through the undercover bit...
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written by TAT IS THE SCAM, Thu 24 May 2007 07:40:10 CDT
Don't look for support from T.A.T. because there will be none. Helping each other such as this web site is our only hope. TAT is just another high paying position for friends and relatives of the plutocracy. TAT governor rakes in 300,000 baht per month powdering her nose visiting the other foreign plutocracy overseas.
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written by Nattinee, Mon 23 Jul 2007 19:19:51 CDT
After reading the article I just want to say that there are still some Thai's who arent shy and are willing to walk up to a lost looking tourist and give them some help. Some tourists are so scared of being scammed that they respond to us Thais in a rude way. The other day I offered to communicate to the Tuk Tuk driver for a foreign couple (seeing that they were having trouble) but was told to 'Go Away' because 'we aren't talking to you'. I know not all foreigners are like that but not all good speaking Thais are scammers either. There are plenty of Thai-Thai kids who goes to international schools and speak the language fluently so please dont look at all of us in a bad light.
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written by Dting Dtong Taiwan, Sun 16 Sep 2007 09:34:14 CDT
Nong Nattinee,

As they say in Farangland: "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished". Better let it go, girl. One cannot singlehandedly change the image of a country.
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written by Greg, Tue 23 Oct 2007 15:05:37 CDT
Actually I was approached on Hualampong by a young person with ID on the neck seeming to work as someone helping tourists on the station. I was asked where I want to go, we went together to one of the official ticket booths and they showed me on the screen the number of free seats in each of the classes for the trains I was interested in. Then I just bought the tickets. That was very helpful as cashier didn't speak very good English. So not everyone approaching you in Hualampong is neccessarly a scam artist.
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written by James, Thu 25 Oct 2007 20:00:10 CDT
Lets put things straight. One should be more careful, if he or she is so scared of being scammed. Scams happen everywhere. So, one should always stay alert. Still I can say that the scam that we are commenting about is nothing compared to what I have been through. It was not in Thailand, and it was not a scam. I was openly offered a highly dangerous drugs in (HOLLAND) Rotterdam train station. Now what should we call that.......
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written by Thai - Aussie, Fri 26 Oct 2007 21:14:17 CDT
I agree with Nattinee that not all good english speaking locals is the scammers. As the numbers of scammers in Thailand are large, so it's common that tourists will highly beware of this and may show the improper manner to most of locals due to suspection. However, I still believe most of local people are just willing to help foreigners if they're facing the difficulty in communication.
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written by Beccy, Fri 02 Nov 2007 23:46:53 CDT
can you buy a ticket from the station at any time? i.e after 4pm when the booking office is closed? I want to travel on the 20.45 train from bangkok to nongkai but won't be able to get there till about 5ish.. Sorry I know this isn't the correct place to ask this.. :-)

thanks
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written by peter john, Wed 07 Nov 2007 22:46:55 CST
if you saw some thai peole come to see you and then said ' information service near by train station that mean htey wil charge you for commison ......just go striagh to train station and buy the ticket at there.....and dont believe tuk tuk or taxi if they bring you go to TAT......Danger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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written by owl, Fri 16 Nov 2007 23:40:14 CST
I had a similar experience to Greg's. Just a helpful lady who guided me to the ticket office and told me which platform I needed to go to. Maybe the train station has got it's act together .....
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written by Angus Chang Mai, Tue 18 Dec 2007 20:08:16 CST
I think Thai scammers are the nicest in the world, if you ever travel to Russia , kazakhstan, Nigeria etc, then you will find out what a horrible scam is, Thai people are nice and friendly by nature. If you dont feel happy talking to someome walk away and thats that. I love the Thais and I want give them all a big super hug.
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written by Chris...UK/Chiang Mai/Phitsanuloke, Thu 20 Dec 2007 03:18:17 CST
Just like owl and Greg, when I travelled through Hualampong on my travels to Phitsanuloke, I was approached by an extreamely helpful employee. Even when I was having problems using the payphone in the station, i was approached by another employee who helped me to find another 'working phone' in the station.
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written by clubsiamclubsiam, Sat 09 Feb 2008 09:15:41 CST

Photos of scammers at the Erawan Shrine.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/

Thirty or more scammers are working full time around the Erawan Hyatt area.
They operate in front of the security and police.


The TAT has been sent this info but does nothing to protect tourists.
The Police are involved in the scams so if you ever need assistance, you can be sure the Thai Police will be of no help.
You're on your own in Thailand.
Be carefull.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/21533131@N06/
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written by Atli, Thu 21 Feb 2008 21:26:28 CST
Some angry commentators seem to believe that by avoiding Thailand in future and going to other places instead, they will not need to protect themselves from scammers; nice dreams! Where ever in the world there are tourist and foreigners, scamming, stealing and even robbing feeds a whole industry. In Mexico City you can have to bad luck of getting off at the wrong subway stop or getting into an unlicensed taxi, where the drivers drives you to an isolated place and robs you at gun or knife point, and if your bad luck continues, even kills you. In South Africa, already walking alone or as a pair through Johannesburg or Durban on a Sunday afternoon can get you robbed and killed.

Yet, some tourist who, at home, would never expose themselves to the risks of getting scammed or robbed, seem to switch off all their warning receptors completely in countries and cities they don’t know at all. It baffles me. While most travel books, e.g. The Lonely Planet, have at least one page on “Local Scamming” that very clearly warns travelers, those scammed all seem to fall into the same traps travel books warn them of. Don’t they read all the necessary information before they visit a country? When they speak about it afterwards, they often say that the scammer was so “Very Friendly.” Well, could they operate as scammers if they were not friendly? They are scammers, because they have all the smooth attitudes required for the “Job.”

The next reason for getting scammed is clearly greed. At home they would say “If it’s too good to be true, it isn’t true.” Why would anyone jewelry shop sell a diamond or sapphire for up to 50% less than its value? What makes those getting scammed think that the Thai who approaches them and doesn’t know them from Adam, takes such an immediate liking to them that he reveals the most exceptional deals? If there were such extraordinary deals, they wouldn’t be made known to tourists, because the citizens would make the deals themselves. It’s obvious that anything bought at a great discount can be resold at a profit. Why not ask at the front desk of the hotel where jewelry can be bought?

As for custom tailored clothes, again, why not also ask at the front desk of the hotel? In contrary to a Tuk-Tuk driver who – again - doesn’t know the tourist from Adam, they have an interest in their guests’ well being. Besides, to give tailors enough time for alterations, custom tailored clothes should be ordered shortly after arriving and not shortly before departure. Also, I have bought custom tailored suits and trousers in a number of countries and have never made more than a small down-payment with the major payment due at delivery. However, I have also always let the tailor have my address and telephone number. They, obviously, need some protection, too.

Incidentally, it is beyond me why anyone would want to sit in an open Tuk-Tuk in Southeast Asian cities where pollution is so bad that one can almost cut the air, when there are, as in Bangkok, air conditioned metered taxis available. As for the trips within the city with the meter off, a deal offered and refused, “Khawp Khun!” I just go to the next taxi where the driver uses his meter.

There are situations where anyone can get scammed, e.g. train stations and airports, where tourists often arrive tired and exhausted after long flights. When I arrived in Bkk after a 24 hour flight, I guess, I was lucky. A porter “Found Me.” He took me and my luggage first to the official hotel information kiosk and then to the official taxi stand and not to “Specials.” I gave him a Baht 100 tip for his honesty.

Lastly, there are as many scams in 1. World countries – most likely even in your own country - as in Thailand, and a scam always requires two voluntary players.

There are countries one simply DOES NOT VISIT! Thailand is definitely not one of them.

Yes, I believe you are doing an excellent job with this site. I only wish that many travelers would read it before instead of after losing their money.

Atli
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written by clubsaim, Sat 23 Feb 2008 10:53:33 CST
LOS
LAND OF SCAMS
AVOID
TELL YOUR FRIENDS
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written by kel, Wed 30 Apr 2008 09:49:07 CDT
I agree with Nattinee whenever I was in Thailand I get kinda paranoid when someone wants to help me whether in communicating with the stall holder(s) in Thai or wanted to help me with directions. I believe majority are not scammers but still I want to be safe. I usually smile and politely wave at them.
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written by bard, Mon 07 Jul 2008 15:00:14 CDT
its not a problem at all if you have a brain , just learn how to use it. I smell a scammer from long distance , I just pass them and buy my tickets were you supposed to , in the ticket office.
Ok if the scammer talks to you just smile and walk away. Its easy.
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written by gingkiki, Sat 06 Sep 2008 17:38:24 CDT
what do you think about thai accent in english?
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written by gingkiki, Sat 06 Sep 2008 17:38:55 CDT
do people have bad attitude or not?
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written by Dave the Rave, Sat 13 Sep 2008 15:36:57 CDT
"LOS
LAND OF SCAMS
AVOID
TELL YOUR FRIENDS"

True, but which country on this planet is free from scams?
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written by Scammed again, Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:42:27 CDT
I've been to plenty of Countries. None of them scam like the Thais.
Just look at the entrance to the Grand Palace or Erawan Shrine.
Scammers doing their dirty work on lost tourists in plain view of the Security Guards.
Just look for thr TST information booths around town. Scammers work right next to these places , in view of the TAT employees.
Outrageous.

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written by MIKEY, Mon 29 Sep 2008 23:12:38 CDT
try replying when they approach you in a loud voice/

"I dont want to buy drugs, stay away from me"

watch their reaction and that of anyone near by that understands what you are saying
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written by Victor, Tue 30 Sep 2008 11:23:00 CDT
Here is another side of the coin (world, actually).........

I was trying to get a bus from the Port Authority of NY to JFK airport and could not find the ticket counter that had been moved (years ago, I later learned) to a street-side location (at the bus stop). And it turned out that there was no actual counter or any sign except one man in a bright jacket with a bunch of tickets in hand and a couple of his friends walking around.
And, after a ticket was bought and with a few minutes to spare, I decided to walk around for some window-shopping until one of the guys in the ticket seller group came to tell me that the bus is here........then he asked me for a dollar for his "service".
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written by Tod in Bangkok, Thu 23 Oct 2008 17:26:31 CDT
I need a ticket to Chiang Mai and am considering going by train so will take the MRT over to Hua Lamphong Station tomorrow. I can read, and speak thai but being a white American I can play a 'mute-tourist'. I'll report back in on any scams I am exposed to. Unfortunately being 6'2", and 88 kilos the thais are rarely overly friendly to me, and even speaking with them in thai most seem like they want to run away, lol.
This is a great site, filled with good info. I still say overall thailand is safer than most countries, then again people are scammed in their home countries too, so it's buyer beware everwhere...
Have fun here, please turn out the light when you leave...
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written by Brad, Tue 05 May 2009 19:15:48 CDT
Tod, still waiting for a a updated report (Tapping of fingers on desk...)
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written by James, Sun 28 Jun 2009 20:05:33 CDT
i just ignore everyone in the train station, even when they come up to me asking where i want to go. simple, there is an information desk there and i can ask them instead. even if the 'helpers' in pink are telling the truth, i can find out on my own.

what pissed me off was even though i asked a question and i got the reply from the info people at the desk inside the building, the 'pinkies' still took the lead and said counter number 1. i just stood still, he turned round. saw i wasnt following, he walked away, and i went to counter number 1
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written by SBK, Sun 05 Jul 2009 14:26:53 CDT
We were in Bangkok during the airport closure last December and the scams were rife. Every time we tried to get transport we faced attempts at scamming. When we tried to get to the Emerald Buddha, no one would take us because they said it was closed for a festival and attempted to get us to book a tour, plus a trip to the temple the following day. Needless to say, it was not closed and we went there under our own steam instead.

We even had our hotel bell men/concierge deliberately misinform us in order to get some kind of a kick back, which we duly reported to hotel management. Sadly during the time in Bangkok we were exhausted by having to always be on our guard and sniff out scammers.

On two occasions we were very grateful to find helpful people who went out of their way to help us. This kindness and open generousity is the Thailand I remember from the old days, but it seems to have been eroded away as Thailand has become so heavily reliant on tourism. A tourist should not need to consult a scamming website before visiting a city.

Unfortunately, despite our reserve, we did fall for a scam - along with other vulnerable tourists who desperately needed to leave town at the time - and it happened at Hua Lumphong Station.

My husband asked the hotel to direct a cab driver to one of the official TAT offices and even had them write the address for the driver. But he was taken to a fake TAT office and quickly left when he realised what had happened, no doubt the driver was in the employ of this agent, which was near Hua Lumphong, so he went in there looking for assistance and was approached by someone wearing a TAT id.

It turns out that they too were fake and took him to yet another fake TAT office. By this stage I think he felt brow beaten and booked us seats on a bus with them to Khao Lak.

It took us 20hours to reach Khao Lak. At one stage we were left in a shed in the middle of nowhere, at 2am for over 3 hours, with no idea what would happen next. Then we were bundled on another bus which went to a bus station, and then told to get on a public bus which crawled along, stopping constantly.

Eventually I pulled us off the bus at another public bus station and called the hotel we had booked. They very kindly agreed to come and get us, naturally for an additional fee. *sigh* We heard stories from other travellers that for some people it had taken over 3 days to get to Penang via the same scammers. These were people who were trying to get home to their kids and jobs, not backpackers who may have had the luxury of time.

Bangkok used to be a wonderful place to visit, and it was the traditional Thai manner and gentleness that made me love it. Suffice to say it will be a cold day in hell before we choose to visit Bangkok again. The people of Vietnam are as generous and kind as the traditional Thais were, perhaps they now deserve the tourist dollar more?

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written by Watt, Sun 13 Sep 2009 00:58:28 CDT
I was wondering, as I've read all this PRO and CONTRA opinions about coming to Thailand, what else is to see except the tourist area. Someone said, at some point, to avoid the tourist places because there are the scammers - it makes sense, but what else is to see except the tourist places, being them temples, palaces or gogo bars?
Don't trying to be sarcastic here, I really don't know what attractions Thailand has, except the capital city (where seems that all the bed things happen), Pattaya (again, too dangerous) and I've recently heard of Pukhet (have no idea what's there to see, though).
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written by Mike, Sat 28 Nov 2009 08:12:19 CST
There are people who are trying to make money out of farang in most tourist areas in Thailand. As soon as you are out of the tourist ghetto things change dramatically. I used to live 2 kms from Chatuchuk market and cab drivers would turn the meter straight on when I got in at the end of my soi. Near the markets I often had to insist and then use the odd Thai word so they realized I lived there. When out of Bangkok I was often asked by touts where I was from, as soon as I said Bangkok (or even better, Pathum Thani..no farangs there!!!), I was left alone.
It is important to remember that the daily wage for a Thai labourer is about 175 baht a day. When you go to McDonalds to get your western fat fix, notice the young couples on a date sharing a fries and a drink. There are many university educated Thai's who make 5-800 baht a month. That is about $200 US. With a 4 yr uni degree!!!!! They see westerners flashing wads of 1000 baht notes around and think they wouldn't mind a piece of that....is it not natural?????? I do not care what anyone says, westerners are all aware of their wealth in Thailand. I certainly was. I am not defending scammers and I do what I have to to avoid being scammed there as does everyone that knows. I just think that sometimes people need to put SOME things into perspective. Remember 500 baht is only 15-20 bucks back home, not enough to sour a holiday over.
My advise, if it is worth anything, is to get out of the tourist traps and visit other areas. Maybe there won't be so much hair braiding, you will find the deals are better in dept stores than markets abd the prices are set. I will be going back to Thailand in a few weeks on hols and once again I will be from Bangkok and drop the odd "song loi, ha sip" and hopefully get to experience all that I miss about that great country.
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written by Khun Issan, Sat 28 Nov 2009 09:37:29 CST
"is it not natural?????? "

Mike, would you do it? natural to who? Did you know Thailand has the second BIGGEST market for Mercedes Benz Cars! So what if Thais earn 5-800 baht pm, its called market forces, by the way, how many starving Thais have you seen? Also, how many Thai men drink and how much does a beer cost?
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written by Simon, Sun 29 Nov 2009 17:13:30 CST
Mike -'.......will be from Bangkok and drop the odd "song loi, ha sip" and hopefully get to experience all that I miss about that great country.' Drop the odd 250 what? baht?

Couldn't agree more about getting away from the tourist traps. There is indeed, so much to do and see.
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written by Buster Gonad, Sun 29 Nov 2009 22:47:31 CST
@Simon, I love this site, when did you start it up?

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